The ‘Warmest Brightest Yellow’ You Know?

[Docpro]

Do you know of any yellows without the dreaded greenish ‘undertone’ (or overtone). (transparent or opaque) I especially hate when natural (cyan) light mixes in with green undertones in glazes.

The following have failed for me:

1) All the Cad Yellows (medium & the funky deep-yellow)
2) Many transparent and process yellows failed: PY3, Arilyde, etc.
3) Even pure Naples Yellow wreaks of that greenish undertone
4) Indian yellow also has a dreaded greenish undertone (iirc).

Partial Successes:

1) Yellow ochre and raw sienna are ‘OK’: but too dull.
2) Cad orange + Cad yellow … but this is awkward (for me)

Again, if you have any warm yellows you like or love please elaborate.

Utmost thanks and blessings in advance for any thoughts whatsoever,
Philip

[AnnieA]

Have you tried Indian yellow? It’s not the same as what was thought to be Indian Yellow in the past (supposedly made from cow urine!). Modern paint manufacturers make a variety of Indian Yellows, but AFAIK there isn’t any one standard pigment corresponding to the hue. I’ve completely fallen in love with Cobra’s Indian Yellow, which is PY110, Isoindolone Yellow (https://www.dickblick.com/items/02109-4163/#colorswatch). It’s so vibrant and alive, and nicely semi-transparent too, without a hint of green to my eye. Other manufacturers produce their own Indian Yellows, and some even use PY110 and are very nice. I’ve tried a couple of them, but IMHO none is as gorgeous as the Cobra version.

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[Docpro]

Thanks Annie,

My Indian yellow = W&N PY139 + PR101 + safflower + linseed

I’ll research PY110 and your Cobra version and buy a tube.

Utmost thanks and blessings!
Philip

[Gigalot]

PY83, Diarylide Yellow HR or HR70 is a very gorgeous translucent or transparent yellow paint. Transparent Gold ochre iron oxide, when mixed with PY83 and White paint, makes a very attractive, “Modigliani” yellow color.

[Delofasht]

I second PY 110, using the M Graham version of it, called Indian Yellow. It is very warm and alone does not have that greenish undertone, by far the most powerful influencing yellow on my palette will push other colors far into the yellow range. You could also try Transparent Yellow Oxide, which is like Yellow Ochre but stronger and more transparent (higher tinting strength and less opaque). These are my two favorite yellows, and though I own two colder yellows I rarely put them onto the palette as either of the above two work for most of my uses.

- Delo Delofasht

[Raffless]

Cadmium Yellow Deep (PY35). Its very hard to get away from Cadmium paints.

[Docpro]

Alex: Thanks! I will research PY83, Diarylide, HR70 (??), Transparent Gold Ochre iron oxide, and PY83 undertones (swatches)

Delo: Thank you for chiming: I will try both PY 110 and the transparent ochre

Raffless: Thanks. I have W&N PY35 “Cadmium Yellow” … but it has a slightly (noticeable) greenish tint with glazes. IOWs, I have to pollute it with white or opacify it on too thickly to make it appear bright yellow. I found another Cad Yellow Deep by Permalba which is PR108. But it is too orange and deep to pass for a warm bright yellow.

Ideally the paint should flow and/or stringify (i.e., with Cremnitz white) for yellow hair, warm sun rays, warm day flowers, ripe-fruits, etc. without getting globby or muddy … with the adjacent paints and underlayers.

Utmost thanks and blessings!
Philip

[Delofasht]

Happy to share, good luck to you. Hopefully, one of the two will land right where you need it (and I agree regarding Cadmium and most Azo yellows, all lean too green for my general purpose tastes).

Dick Blick sells Michael Harding’s PY83

And I use this Indian Yellow PY110 by M Graham

I prefer this Transparent Oxide Yellow PY 42 also by M Graham.

- Delo Delofasht

[Delofasht]

Oh wow. I just found a new yellow I rather like too:

M Graham’s Nickel Azo Yellow, woooo, look at that mix with white to a bright yellow that isn’t overly cool. Yikes, gonna have to get that one myself next order.

- Delo Delofasht

[stapeliad Moderator, NYC]

I have W&N PY35 “Cadmium Yellow” … but it has a slightly (noticeable) greenish tint with glazes.

If you are glazing yellow over a grisaille then yes it is going to look green. Yellow + black = green. I’m not sure what you are glazing over but consider the underpainting color carefully.

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[Raffless]

If you are glazing yellow over a grisaille then yes it is going to look green. Yellow + black = green. I’m not sure what you are glazing over but consider the underpainting color carefully.

I agree with this. Some blacks are blue and will make yellow glazes look green. Im not sure of Cad yellow having a greenish tint by itself as its moving toward the red spectrum which is roughly opposite of green.

[yellow_oxide]

So when you say undertone, do you mean the result of optical mixing of color when glazing/scumbling over a dried paint layer? That’s not exactly an undertone, since you’re talking about a result involving multiple paints rather than a property of just that one paint. The undertone of a paint is how just that paint alone looks when spread thinly over a white surface that won’t add its own color, because anything else will influence the result with its own color. All yellow paints reflect both red and green light wavelengths, so any yellow will make green when glazed over probably any blue or black.

Masstone, which is sometimes called overtone, is the appearance of the paint when thick enough to not see through it.

The cadmium yellow deep and Indian yellow that you mention are definitely warm yellows that shouldn’t have any greenish undertones at all.

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[Humbaba]

You could take a look at Cadmium Barium Yellow Medium (Grumbacher). But be
be careful, it comes with a health warning.

[Anonymous]

If no cadmiums, nor those other colors you list don’t work for you, then I can absolutely guarantee that there is no yellow oil paint available that can fill the bill for you.

[Ellis Ammons]

Not sure what your asking but if you go here
https://www.goldenpaints.com/products/colors/heavy-body
and click on a color.. it will show you how the pigment looks painted over white and black when glazed and tinted. Its pretty helpful even if your painting in oils. It will give you some idea of what to expect.

py53 Titanite Yellow looks like your best bet

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oil and acrylic paintings..

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