Winsor & Newton Artists Watercolor

[Rustem]

Not to add fuel to the fire but have you looked at the W&N tubes you’ve been getting recently? They say “Made in France”.

Anyway, I looked at Dick Blick, and ASW/Jerry’s and the are both low – Cheap Joe’s appears to be well stocked. I occasionally buy full pans of W&N from Ken Bromelys or Jacksons (both in the UK) and they are well stocked with W&N tubes but both are out of 14mil Viridian, as is every one else, go figure.

Making paint is not rocket science and if the formulas stay the same there should be little difference in the end product. Maybe the plant in France has had some productions issues but the UK seems to be well supplied so I figure the back-orders here in the US should be resolved soon.

Rusty

Rusty

"The world is big, and I want to get a good look at it before it gets dark". John Muir

[RuiFromUK]

According to my local art materials supplier W&N watercolours are now made in France and not UK.

Few months ago I also had a bit of a problem here in UK to obtain Burnt Sienna in a hurry and out of all the London stores that were open on Saturday I only managed to obtain 2 little tubes of that watercolour.

Nowadays to avoid any surprises I keep at home pigment powder and watercolour medium of all the earth colours.

Kind regards.
Rui

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."
"I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance."
Socrates.

[pumkin54]

You could always try eBay. I’ve bought paint there several times and never had any problems. The price on Winsor Newton tubes will probably end up costing you a few bucks more than ordering from Dick Blick. But if you were only planning to order 3 or 4 tubes from Dick Blick and then tacked on the 8.95 S/H, it works out to nearly the same price.

Or even Amazon. They sometimes have some steals pop up.

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[sashntash]

pumkin – I have read that most of the paint tubes sold on ebay (the ones that say they are new and unopened) are stolen goods, so I will stay away from those…..

Susan
in beautiful North Carolina
Retired and loving every minute of it !!!
Time to play......

[pumkin54]

That’s a possibility I never thought of actually. But I know that even a number of Wet Canvas members sell art supplies on eBay. I remember reading a couple threads about it over the years. People try stuff and don’t like it, bought supplies for a class that they ended up dropping, bought something they never got around to using, or even took advantage of closeout sales at their local B&M and unloaded it on eBay.

I do a lot of shopping on eBay for everything from books to makeup to clothes to art supplies. Now you make me pause, because I suppose there’s a chance that some of it has been stolen. But I guess the same can be said of things you buy at a garage sale, outlet stores, or those street markets that I can’t for the life of me remember what they’re called right now.

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[sashntash]

Absolutely !!

I love ebay… don’t get me wrong.. and I do believe that some of the paint tubes sold on ebay are legit…. as you say… people who buy a color and then don’t like it or buy supplies for a workshop and then decide it’s not for them.

But.. I have also read… and it may have been here on Wet Canvas…. that SOME of the paint tubes sold on ebay are stolen. Retailers have a problem with shoplifters… as we all know…. and paint tubes are easy to slip in to the shoplifters pocket or purse….. to be re-sold on ebay.

There is no way, of course, to know which are legit and which were stolen… sad.. but true…

I have always wondered about the people who ALWAYS have W&N paint tubes for sale on ebay. Where do they get their supply that they can sell them so inexpensively?????

Susan
in beautiful North Carolina
Retired and loving every minute of it !!!
Time to play......

[CharM Moderator Watercolour Forum]

In my area, Winsor & Newton paints have been over priced when compared to other artist grade manufacturers. They would never be my first choice because there isn’t enough difference in quality to justify this pricing.

So… if, indeed, W&N is indeed changing, I guess that brand loyalty wouldn’t be an issue anymore.

Char --

CharMing Art -- "Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art." Leonardo DaVinci

[JPQ]

I hope if formula or anything changes i can get one hue what i really want becouse another brands what i can dont have it i think. one PV19 variation if remember correctly. its darker version on it (one quinacridone hue what i dont found other brands at least yet) and brands what i talk are Daler&Rowney and Schmincke. later i prefer more becouse i bet Daler&Rowney Artist series i need special order get them pans.

[Carole Pivarnik (aka Brindle)]

In my area, Winsor & Newton paints have been over priced when compared to other artist grade manufacturers. They would never be my first choice because there isn’t enough difference in quality to justify this pricing.

I feel this way about W&N and some other brands, as well. That said, though, once you find a color you can’t live without that is only available in that brand, sometimes you make concessions. I’m that way about Daniel Smith paints. There are a few colors they offer that you just can’t get anywhere else nor mix perfect substitutes for. So even though their paint is expensive compared to some other brands I buy, I still buy those colors. Quin Gold (PO49) is one such…I am a little bit in “doomsday prep” mode re that pigment–gotta stock up before they run out of the pigment and I can’t get it anymore, haha!

I have always wondered about the people who ALWAYS have W&N paint tubes for sale on ebay. Where do they get their supply that they can sell them so inexpensively?????

Nothing stops them from applying for a wholesale account from W&N (or whoever distributes that brand wholesale), just like any other retail establishment. With costs of selling online so low compared to brick and mortar stores, those sellers may simply choose to be satisfied with a very low profit margin and set their prices accordingly.

[zook]

sashntash

merely bring them down to Blick’s every day regular price !!! lol

Agreed, I love Dick Blick. They have the best prices, but sadly now that we have one in Seattle I can’t order online without paying tax. It is nice to visit the store and I can use my Blick 10% off card to offset the tax, but the store doesn’t carry the complete stock they do online AND instore prices are sometimes higher.

I’ve switched my loyalty to Jerrys. But I miss Blick

Terri

Terri

[sashntash]

I just received a very nice reply to my email from Winsor & Newton USA.

Here it is:

“I am sorry that I have been tardy in replying to your e-mail but we are located in New Jersey and our power has been intermittent over the past couple of days.

Thank you for contacting Winsor & Newton Technical Support regarding the availability of our products.

I am sorry that you are having this problem………..believe me we want you to purchase our paint! I am not making excuses but this is what has happened.

The company has only been sold twice, to my knowledge, in the past 180 years. First from the families of the founders at the turn of the 20th century and then to the current owners, Colart, about 20 years ago.

The original factory was located in the north of London and is where our products were manufactured for over a century. When we opened the factory it was on the outskirts of a town called Harrow. Over time the town expanded and is now a suburb of London. Homes were built around our factory and we no longer had room for expansion. Our business had become larger and we had trouble keeping up with demand.

The company made the decision to open a new plant at LeMans in France where we would have room for future expansion. During the year that the move took place our production dropped and we are still recovering.

Hopefully in a short time there will not be any backordered product. In the meantime I can only apologise for the inconvenience it has caused you.

We appreciate you loyalty to our products. If we can be of any assistance in the future, please don’t hesitate to contact us.”
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I appreciate their response and I shall now be patient ……..

Susan
in beautiful North Carolina
Retired and loving every minute of it !!!
Time to play......

[sashntash]

sashntash

Agreed, I love Dick Blick. They have the best prices, but sadly now that we have one in Seattle I can’t order online without paying tax. It is nice to visit the store and I can use my Blick 10% off card to offset the tax, but the store doesn’t carry the complete stock they do online AND instore prices are sometimes higher.

I’ve switched my loyalty to Jerrys. But I miss Blick

Terri

Terri – I’ll trade you !!!!!

We have a local brick and mortar Jerry’s… and while I am grateful to have a real art supply store at all….. I would dearly love to have a Blick store instead. I am a loyal Blick-ite !!! Huge selection, the best prices and terrific customer service. I’m hooked

Susan
in beautiful North Carolina
Retired and loving every minute of it !!!
Time to play......

[zook]

True Susan! I’ve been to a Jerrys in TX and Blick is a much nicer store, at least our Seattle store, maybe because it’s new. I have to make a 40 mile drive to get there, but it’s nice to have. I can also visit Daniel Smith in Seattle which is fun, but their prices are high. Even so I like to support the local economy.

Terri

Terri

[CharM Moderator Watercolour Forum]

Doesn’t it restore your faith when you receive such a positive response? Well done Winsor & Newton…

Char --

CharMing Art -- "Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art." Leonardo DaVinci

[sashntash]

Yes it does Char.. yes it does.

I did a little research…. it appears that they moved out of the old plant at the end of last year or the beginning of this year…

I now know why supplies are less than optimal and I can now wait until dickblick.com gets re-stocked.

I just hate not knowing what is going on… it gets very frustrating.

Now that I know, I am content to wait

It’s also reassuring to know that W&N has not been sold…..

Susan
in beautiful North Carolina
Retired and loving every minute of it !!!
Time to play......

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