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August 17, 2004 at 6:38 pm #984407
Hi All
i have a piece of work I thought might look better with a coat of varnish but being oil pastel on pastel paper I figure varnish would warp and crickle it. I though the spray on stuff in lots of thin layers might work but basicaly my question is – can you varnish paper works and if so how?
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August 18, 2004 at 8:31 am #1035218I’ve not coated any of my pieces yet – so how are these working out for you Dyin? Have you seen any changes in the paintings since you sprayed or coated?? I’ve been reluctant to try anything while the jury is out on how all these products react with the OP’s.
If I were to try the varnish on paper, I think it would have the painting put on some kind of hard support, at least temporarily, so that as it dries it does not warp.
August 18, 2004 at 10:01 am #1035221They’re all doing great, Kat…some are just in piles and get moved around with nothing in between…holding up great. Turtle still on my easel til temps cool and the gloss glaze is holding just fine even in high heat.
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August 18, 2004 at 1:02 pm #1035231Hi Gav…would love to see your piece!
its a test piece, I thought I’d do a self portrait, thought that was a bit vain and thought it even more so to post it, we shall see.
I have varnished on paper before, but it’s tricky. I use acrylic spray and do it in lots of light coats. Another choice is to use a matte acrylic gel medium. No water added.
I thought acrylic would be a no-no on an oily substance like oil, even very thin oil pastel?
wouldnt it just sit on the surface and flake off?Gav
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August 18, 2004 at 3:57 pm #1035227Just wanted to add my experience in varnishing OPs. I learned from a friend to use spray acrylic (several light coats, waiting until each dries before adding another) both as a final varnish and as a fixative between layers of OP to allow me to paint lights on darks. I’ve experimented with it for a couple years now, and it seems to have had no ill effects on my paintings.
I generally paint on Canson Mi-Tientes or tinted paper made specifically for charcoal, and even though it’s pretty thin (80 lb?) I’ve never had any warping or crinkling of the paper, nor any flaking off of the OP or acrylic coating. So far so good; but only in 50 years or so can I really judge how well it holds up!
I wonder, can the new Sennelier OP fixative also be used as a finishing varnish? I have yet to try it out, but it may work for that purpose too.
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Jennifer – thanks for the info on the acrylic spray – any particular brand you like to use?
August 18, 2004 at 4:22 pm #1035228Gav,
Beautiful sense of light, and I love the warm color palette!
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The acrylic spray I’m currently using is Minwax Polycrylic, clear semi-gloss.
It states on the back of the label that it can be applied over oil-based and acrylic paints and stains (although it cautions that slight ambering may occur if applied over light-colored surfaces — but I have yet to notice that on my own OPs).
The biggest drawback is the spray’s odor and toxicity — best to spray outside and leave the OP to air out for about 20 minutes.
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My online portfolio: geocities.com/jenniferwambachAugust 18, 2004 at 7:02 pm #1035223Gav, Kyle’s right, this is wonderful! This really has the look of an oil painting…I love seeing all the different styles of application here! If you look at my avatar then you’ll see part of my self portrait…I covered that with the spray acrylic and it worked great. I tried the Sennelier and it spit and dissolved some of the OP…so it hit the trash. Acrylic is much safer to use, though some have said they used it with no problem.
Sure wish we could have seen this one as a WIP…I’m interested in how you do your layers…what paper is this? Am glad you’ve joined us on the forum, look forward to seeing lots more of your work.Artist webpage
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August 18, 2004 at 11:15 pm #1035234I’ve used the Krylon Crystal Clear on my oil pastels on paper. Several light coats spraying first horizontally and then vertically without any adverse effects. I used this on my oil pastels on canvas also without a problem.
The only time I had a problem was using a liquid varnish. When I brushed it on, some of the paint layer dissolved into the varnish. Remember that any product that will dissolve oil will dissolve the oil pastels, too.
Your painting is beautiful. I hope you’ll be sharing more with us!!
carlyAugust 19, 2004 at 5:02 am #1035233Thanks all for the complements
I’ll have to do some more pics but I think I will have to buy some more pastels first.
what I used was burgundy coloured pastel paper from WH Smith(stationery store own brand). its 6X9 inch using daler rowney pastels but they seem quite waxy and hard to put white or light colours over a previous layer, dunno if thats normal.
also found some winsor-newton acrylic spray varnish and it actually says on the tin ‘for oil, aklyd and acrylic’ doh! should have read the tin.
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August 19, 2004 at 5:15 pm #1035229That is a beautiful portrait. The colors are terrific! Good going.
After reading Sue’s (Dyin) posts on mixing acrylic gel with OPs, I found an old jar of the same. It was still usable so I gently painted it on a recent OP which I had done on rather flimsy watercolor paper. The OPs were still sticky to the touch, but the gel went on smoothly with just a hint of color ending up on the brush. I had visions of it ending up like the “Portrait of Dorian Grey”, but it did the job and according to what has been said here, it should hold up very well. I like the effect.
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