Trouble with eggshell finish – please help

[Biki]

Trankina & Jalang.
Thanks for the imput, but I am now going into information overload
If I go any further into this, I will get totally confused.

If my solution does not work, I will simply start again on a fresh “unfussed over” canvas. I am too new to all of this to delve any deeper at this stage, and my brain is way, way, over to the right to think clearly on the left.

However, your comments will rest in my memory for a time when they will be most valued & can be explored.

cheers & much appreciated

(foggy brain) biki

"Art is an act of love in likeness of itself - Spirit moulding matter into lovely form:"

"His act in us for Him."

Francis Brabazon - Australian Poet.

[JanetteBC]

LOL–lives and vacations in the land of foggy brain

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Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take
but by
the moments that take our breath away.

[dcorc]

Now, from what I have gathered from the various replies – I am going to wait a couple of weeks – give it a light course sand of about 100 grit – oil it out – and try again.

I think that is a good course of action!

Dave

davecorcoran.co.uk

[Biki]

Just to let you all know, that my solution did not work.

I tried it today & still waxy – never mind. … I started again on a fresh canvas. But wouldn’t you know it? – this beginning, did not go as well as the first.

Maybe I am not meant to paint this painting. !!
I will keep trying tho – and post it here to give you all a good chuckle.

"Art is an act of love in likeness of itself - Spirit moulding matter into lovely form:"

"His act in us for Him."

Francis Brabazon - Australian Poet.

[Eugene Veszely]

Why dont you try it on paper first ??

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[bjs0704]

Biki – Do you yet have any idea or hunches about what caused your problems?

Best wishes

Barb Solomon

my website at:
www.geocities.com/bjsart2000

[Biki]

Biki – Do you yet have any idea or hunches about what caused your problems?

Best wishes

Barb Solomon

Yes, I think I misunderstood the instructions & sanded with too fine a sandpaper & too thoroughly. I think I sanded it back so far that I reached the fabric, and sanding the fabric made it waxy.

"Art is an act of love in likeness of itself - Spirit moulding matter into lovely form:"

"His act in us for Him."

Francis Brabazon - Australian Poet.

[bjs0704]

Thanks for letting me know – I know that I would have done the same – at least some will know a little better what to watch out for in the future.

I gather that you are going to try again on this painting. I hope that it works out well.

When I was in school, I ran into a problem having one my paintings starting to peel from the canvas. It was the end of the semester. I had primed a series of canvas with an extremely thick gesso. Maybe I rushed the drying and I know that I used to thick a coat of gesso. The paint crackled in one section.

Best of luck on your next piece.

Barb Solomon

my website at:
www.geocities.com/bjsart2000

[the cutter]

Biki, you may want to try passing a coat of Ox Gall over it all. It tends to be a tensio-active, like a soap, and although primarily used for gessos that are water-based and the pigments to be used are in arabic gum lLike a guache or a watercolor, (and not a mastice, as I imagine you are using) it could possibly resolve your problem. Although, I agree, it must be too finely finished if nothing at all seems to want to stick.

[TRANCHINA]

Biki,

I don’t know about you, but sometimes when I take a painting too seriously, and work too hard on it, I have great difficulty. Some of the best things that I have done, were began at the spur of the moment, dropping everything else that I was working on, and done without fear, and with a great deal of freedom and fun.

Jim

[Biki]

Biki,

I don’t know about you, but sometimes when I take a painting too seriously, and work too hard on it, I have great difficulty. Some of the best things that I have done, were began at the spur of the moment, dropping everything else that I was working on, and done without fear, and with a great deal of freedom and fun.

Jim

Hi Jim,

At my stage of the game, it is all pure fun. But I do also take it seriously, in that I give it my best shot. All my paintings are important to me because I paint from the heart – meaning they are all inspirational in some way. I am moved to paint them for various reasons – but I am sure I am not alone here in that.

I love them all. They are all my babies that I created – even tho flawed

I wonder about WC & how it has affected my work/joy – and I think that apart from the enormous amount I have learned from you dear folk, i also strive harder since joining this site so as to – be accepted? – taken seriously?
be able to join in? – tickle my ego? ( ha ha) – who knows. All I know is that I am grateful to be here.

I also know that artists are becoming my favourite folk to hang out with.

(oops – there I go getting “personal” again – I feel another slap coming my way. :rolleyes: )

"Art is an act of love in likeness of itself - Spirit moulding matter into lovely form:"

"His act in us for Him."

Francis Brabazon - Australian Poet.

[TRANCHINA]

Hi Jim,

At my stage of the game, it is all pure fun. But I do also take it seriously, in that I give it my best shot. All my paintings are important to me because I paint from the heart – meaning they are all inspirational in some way. I am moved to paint them for various reasons – but I am sure I am not alone here in that.

I love them all. They are all my babies that I created – even tho flawed

I wonder about WC & how it has affected my work/joy – and I think that apart from the enormous amount I have learned from you dear folk, i also strive harder since joining this site so as to – be accepted? – taken seriously?
be able to join in? – tickle my ego? ( ha ha) – who knows. All I know is that I am grateful to be here.

I also know that artists are becoming my favourite folk to hang out with.

(oops – there I go getting “personal” again – I feel another slap coming my way. :rolleyes: )

HI Biki,

I know what you mean regarding painting from the heart, what I was referring to is overworking paintings. In school, I remember a professor looking at one of my paintings and stating that it looked like I “Labored over it”. I took it as a compliment, believing that he was complimenting me for my hard work. I later realized that he wasn’t, and that what he was saying was that I overworked it. It made me mad, but he was right, and it is something that I struggled with. Getting my head out of the way, so that I can paint from the heart. The one thing that I have found is that, despite my goal to get my head out of the way, I still need to have some knowledge from which to draw, in order to express myself. Perhaps I am not clear in what I am saying. Let me give you an example: There was a time that I wanted to be able to paint a sunset, but I didn’t know how. I had it in my heart, and couldn’t get it out. I had to learn the proper technique to be able to express this. I learned via school, independant study, and practice. No painting, even if for practice, is wasted, if it helps a person move to a higher level.

[Biki]

HI Biki,

I know what you mean regarding painting from the heart, what I was referring to is overworking paintings. In school, I remember a professor looking at one of my paintings and stating that it looked like I “Labored over it”. I took it as a compliment, believing that he was complimenting me for my hard work. I later realized that he wasn’t, and that what he was saying was that I overworked it. It made me mad, but he was right, and it is something that I struggled with. Getting my head out of the way, so that I can paint from the heart. The one thing that I have found is that, despite my goal to get my head out of the way, I still need to have some knowledge from which to draw, in order to express myself. Perhaps I am not clear in what I am saying. Let me give you an example: There was a time that I wanted to be able to paint a sunset, but I didn’t know how. I had it in my heart, and couldn’t get it out. I had to learn the proper technique to be able to express this. I learned via school, independant study, and practice. No painting, even if for practice, is wasted, if it helps a person move to a higher level.

oh – i get you now. :rolleyes:
I guess i do labour over everything.
Recently I did a workshop where I had to do a dyptich (sp?)
The first painting wasn’t important, but merely a suggestion toward the second one. so I painted this first one very freely & didn’t put a lot into it – and went ahead & laboured over the second. My teacher kept coming back to me & complimenting me on the first one. This puzzled me because I didn’t like it much. I guess he liked the free abandon with which I painted it.
I must go back & take another look at it.

Thanks Jim, you’ve given me something fresh to think about.

"Art is an act of love in likeness of itself - Spirit moulding matter into lovely form:"

"His act in us for Him."

Francis Brabazon - Australian Poet.

[marmari]

I know what your problem is!:clap:
You applied Acrylic gesso, when you should be using a gesso made specifically for oil painting (dick blick has is, I think Windsor Newton makes it) – the ground is made specifically to adhere to oil paint, thus even with eggshell surface this should do the trick. If you want to do is exactly like the pros do it, might as well go all the way! There are also some adherence tips: I heard someone was using a half of an onion to rub the canvas. Now I am not a fan of onions, I strip all my burgers off of them, so I would clean with warm moist towel plus oil(or you can first moist wipe, dry, then oil wipe). If you do use onion trick, you must clean the canvas again with moist towel+couple drops of lemon juice. Your underpainting layer can be done with unthinned but quickdrying paint (not earth colors these dry slow) – pls research colours, dont remember on top of my head. After that, again oil it with your palm once the underpainting layer is dry. Then you can sketch and paint or ink then overpaint. Oh, and one more tip: if you are going to be thinning with turps(your underpainting), add a little damar medium to paint, – damar is very viscous, and you’ll have your problems solved! Damar is THE BEST.

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