Titanium White – Winsor & Newton Artist Oils – WARNING: SOLVENT

[Richard P]

I don’t know if it does, but it does not have a smell of solvents

[Gigalot]

No smell – No solvent!

[WFMartin]

Y’know, I think that we should all take a step backward, and consider this entire discussion for what its possible outcome should be.

No one needs to obtain any “proof”, one way or the other, to be opposed to using a paint that smells like solvent. Whether it truly has solvent in it, or not is really of no issue, whatsoever, actually. If you don’t like a paint that smells like solvent, then merely…..don’t purchase it any more.

Gosh, it seems like a very simple matter to me, and one that can easily be solved by refusing to purchase that product any more…..whatEVER the product, or personal issue with it may be.

There are some products by which I swear, and others that I wouldn’t even think of buying. And, quite often they are offered by the same company!

So, in my opinion, it all boils down to this simple solution: If ya’ don’t like paint that smells like solvent, then don’t purchase it! There are literally dozens, to hundreds of paint brands in this world, all of which are different from their competitors, all just waiting to be tried.

So, if you don’t like one paint because it smells like solvent, just purchase another. And, who knows, you may just get it at a lower price than the one that smells like solvent, to boot!:lol:

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[AnnieA]

Duplicate, sorry.

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[AnnieA]

I believe I’ve read (somewhere…here?) that oil paint ingredients do not need to be listed below a certain threshold. Maybe that explains why it’s not in the SDS.

I recently purchased a tube of W&N Flake White Hue. I just opened the cap and while the smell of oil is much stronger, I think I do notice a faint solvent smell – or more accurately, an extremely slight – solvent [em]feel[/em] in my nose and lungs when I inhale. Even a tiny whiff of NeutralThin, which is supposedly odorless and non-toxic, immediately makes me nauseous. I apparently am especially sensitive.

I guess I need to return it and purchase the Gamblin version instead. Does anyone have a tube of Gamblin’s Flake White Replacement that they could do a smell test on, or information on it regarding the solvent issue, before I spend the money?

RichardP, thanks for the post and also to everyone else who weighed in.

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[marksmomagain]

Annie, just open the tube in the store and sniff it… Then you’ll know right away:)

[AnnieA]

Annie, just open the tube in the store and sniff it… Then you’ll know right away:)

Heh…well of course! Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

I also would like to know if any other manufacturers besides W&N and Gamblin offer a good replacement for flake white – one without solvent.

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[Anonymous]

I have a reply from W&N:

Dear Richard,

Thank you for contacting Winsor & Newton.
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Apologies for the delay.

There is white spirit in our titanium white, a small percentage. This is one source of the total VOC on the formula. There are other contributors- (i.e driers + other formulation components),the unique smell of AOC titanium white is as a result of added white spirit and VOC’s from other components, this gives it a different smell from other colours on the range.

There is no alkyd resin added to the AOC Titanium white formulation.

Thanks Richard. That sounds like the truth at last.
I am a little bit disappointed in their long delay, Winsor Newton may not have been aware of this thread and the disparaging claims that were being made about them. I like to inform companies upfront if such is the case.

[WFMartin]

Heh…well of course! Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

I also would like to know if any other manufacturers besides W&N and Gamblin offer a good replacement for flake white – one without solvent.

Well, about 99% of the “Flake Whites” that are offered DON’T smell like solvent, so you should have a large selection from which to choose. Keep in mind that genuine Flake White is Lead Carbonate White. Many of the “Flake Whites” that are being sold currently are imitations, and do not contain Lead White at all.

Other “Flake Whites” such as Old Holland, are a mixture of Zinc and Lead. These are quite common today. Many Lead Whites are called “Cremnitz White”, and these are usually a relatively pure form of Lead Carbonate.

I’ve used many “Whites” in my operation, and I have not even once experienced one that smelled even faintly of solvent. Of course, if I did, and that became a hinderance to my operation, I simply would cease purchasing it. I think I once tried W & N’s Cremnitz White, and once was enough, not because of any sort of smell, but because it was grainy, and had the consistency of coarse toothpaste. That is NOT the way proper Lead White should behave. I use other Whites now.

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[Marc Kingsland]

I guess I need to return it and purchase the Gamblin version instead. Does anyone have a tube of Gamblin’s Flake White Replacement that they could do a smell test on, or information on it regarding the solvent issue, before I spend the money?

Blick don’t have an air shipping ban on the Gamblin whites so they SHOULD be free of solvent.

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[Marc Kingsland]

… I think I once tried W & N’s Cremnitz White, and once was enough, not because of any sort of smell, but because it was grainy, and had the consistency of coarse toothpaste. That is NOT the way proper Lead White should behave. I use other Whites now.

I’ve been fortunate with my W&N Cremnitz, but I did have a odd issue with one of their Flakes. Rather appropriately it seemed to be full of dry flakes of white paint. A bit moot now though for new buyers, as they’ve stopped making both.

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[Gigalot]

Heh…well of course! Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

I also would like to know if any other manufacturers besides W&N and Gamblin offer a good replacement for flake white – one without solvent.

You might need to try Permalba White. It dries as fast as Lead White but is Lead-free and offers super clear white color.

[marksmomagain]

You might need to try Permalba White. It dries as fast as Lead White but is Lead-free and offers super clear white color.

Plus, Hobby Lobby is clearancing their Permalba white at $3.99 per tube now:clap:

[AnnieA]

Bill, I’m sorry that I mispoke when I asked about “flake white.” I had meant to ask about other flake white [em]replacements[/em], as the only two I know about are the W&N and Gamblin versions. If you know of any specific “imitations” of flake or lead white, I’d really like to hear about those. I can’t use genuine flake/lead white because of my tendency to get paint on myself while engrossed in what’s happening on the canvas.

Mark Kingsland, that’s good to know about the Gamblin version. I think I’ll try that one.

Alex, actually, I have a tube of Permalba white that I rarely use because it’s so stiff. Maybe I’ll take another look….

Thanks to all who tried to help me with this issue!

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[Gigalot]

Alex, actually, I have a tube of Permalba white that I rarely use because it’s so stiff.

Just add some Linseed oil there.

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