Titanium White – Winsor & Newton Artist Oils – WARNING: SOLVENT

[Gigalot]

It turns to be not that bad, you buy two at a price of one: a paint and a moth repellent in one tube!

Yes, moth definitely disappeared from my room when I started to use some kinds of white paint.

[Richard P]

Yes, moth definitely disappeared from my room when I started to use some kinds of white paint.

Egg tempera acrylic white?

[Gigalot]

Egg tempera acrylic white?

Egg tempera has hydrogen sulfide odor.

[Richard P]

Will it combine with the solvent and smell of roses?

[Gigalot]

Will it combine with the solvent and smell of roses?

Add Bulgarian Rose essential oil!

[Richard P]

I’ve bought some Sennelier Rive Gauche paints to try out and they have a similar (though not identical) smell from the tube. Not as strong as Alkyd paints, but some kind of solvents and they dry very quickly.

[WFMartin]

Y’know, I think I’ll stick with my original “guess”–I think they added an alkyd to the paint.

Here’s the reason: If W & N were planning to merely include a solvent in their paint, for whatever their perceived reason, it would be quite foolish on their part to add anything but an Odorless Solvent, especially if they did not want the buyer to know of its existence. However, it seems to be rather difficult to find an alkyd medium that does not reek of a mineral spirits of some sort. It seems that it must somehow be impossible for the manufacturers of an alkyd medium to create one (an alkyd medium) by using an odorless form of mineral spirits.

If it were possible to create an alkyd medium with an odorless form of mineral spirits, I’m sure they would do it, but I have not experienced an alkyd medium yet that does not smell of mineral spirits, quite noticeably. Therefore, I totally believe that W & N has probably added a bit of alkyd to the paint, for whatever reason, and known only to them.:)

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[Richard P]

I have asked them that Bill, but not yet had a response. I’ve chased them again.

Interestingly it’s possible to add dryers without any odour to make titanium white dry quicker, so I agree with you that it does sound like an alkyd. But that begs the question why would they add it?

[Anonymous]

Walnut Alkyd by Graham and Solvent Free Alkyd by Gamblin both have no petroleum solvents.
Since Winsor Newton is on trial here I might as well testify too with some pure speculation.
I think someone in the witch hunt wants to incriminate Winsor Newton with accusations of alkyd lacing and get them burned at the stake!

[Richard P]

I like W&N Artist Oils Titanium White. It’s because I was using it that I noticed the smell. I’d much rather not have these issues and concerns about solvents..

[Michael Lion]

I like W&N Artist Oils Titanium White. It’s because I was using it that I noticed the smell. I’d much rather not have these issues and concerns about solvents..

If the titanium white contains 2% Liquin by volume, there’s not enough mineral spirits in there to pose a health hazard, even in a small non-well-ventilated room, even if you use the entire tube.

[Richard P]

Thank you Michael, that’s reassuring, as I do indeed have a small non-well-ventilated room. I also have a small daughter.

I wish W&N would come back to me about this though, as if there is some solvent in there they should say so on the tube and website.

[Anonymous]

Y’know, I think I’ll stick with my original “guess”–I think they added an alkyd to the paint.

Here’s the reason: If W & N were planning to merely include a solvent in their paint, for whatever their perceived reason, it would be quite foolish on their part to add anything but an Odorless Solvent, especially if they did not want the buyer to know of its existence. However, it seems to be rather difficult to find an alkyd medium that does not reek of a mineral spirits of some sort. It seems that it must somehow be impossible for the manufacturers of an alkyd medium to create one (an alkyd medium) by using an odorless form of mineral spirits.

If it were possible to create an alkyd medium with an odorless form of mineral spirits, I’m sure they would do it, but I have not experienced an alkyd medium yet that does not smell of mineral spirits, quite noticeably. Therefore, I totally believe that W & N has probably added a bit of alkyd to the paint, for whatever reason, and known only to them.

Winsor Newton has already responded and said that the solvent content in this paint is no more than 0.01% which is not enough solvent to carry a solvent borne alkyd. That means that if they are secretly lacing it with an alkyd to make it dry fast, then it must be an alkyd that does not contain any solvent (and these do in fact exist), or Winsor Newton is blatantly telling a huge lie. If it is secretly being laced with a solvent free Alkyd, then Winsor Newton is also telling a huge lie by omission.
If this tube/lot does actually contain a significant amount of solvent then it could only be due to a bad formulation that was made in error, or once again, Winsor Newton is lying.

The WC forum has partners that sell these products. The forum makes it’s viable living by being funded by these partners (Blick etc.)

If members repeatedly keep coming back to this “WARNING: SOLVENT” thread, accusing and restating that Winsor Newton is lying and being totally deceptive, and without any representation from the party being accused, then I will surely report this and request that the administration remove this thread from the forum.

[Richard P]

From my point of view, I bought the paint not expecting it to contain any solvent as there is nothing listed on the tube or their website. Now it may be a mistake in production, or I may be honestly mistaken and hopefully their technical team will check that batch out and come back to me.

I posted this thread so people would be aware and hopefully to check their tube of W&N Titanium White paint to see what they thought. Not to stop people using it, that is their own choice.

Please do not delete this thread.

[ianuk]

If members repeatedly keep coming back to this “[B]WARNING: SOLVENT[/B]” thread, accusing and restating that Winsor Newton is lying and being totally deceptive, and without any representation from the party being accused, then I will surely report this and request that the administration remove this thread from the forum.

That is so petty to me that if you do remove this thread, please remove my membership at the same time.

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