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July 4, 2009 at 11:04 pm #988017
I have an oil painting that I am working on. It is completely dry. I am really disliking where it is going with oil and really would like to switch to pastel building on this layer.
Does it work to use pastel over oil? Or would it be better to start over. I am using these as practice pieces and nothing archival. I have a standard cotton canvas, and I have painted thinly, so there is still tooth on the canvas.
Thanks for your input.
Dave
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July 5, 2009 at 12:03 am #1121135I’m not sure that the pastel will grip enough – if the surface is slick, it might not.
I have heard of people using oil pastels over oils –
July 5, 2009 at 12:14 am #1121137Hi Dave,
In terms of chemical problems, I suppose there aren’t any, but it’s not something usual if your talking about soft pastels.
You say that your work is completly dry, but you mean touch dry.
Of course that we’re not talking about fat over lean when concerning this particular subject.
Now, like Kathryn said, the surface may not grab the pastel enough.
If you want to use sticks, then you should use oil painting sticks (not to confuse with oil pastels); never use oil pastels together with oil painting, be it as a complement or as a previous drawing, for they never dry.~
Tell me something, have you posted your work at the oils forum to see what they say ?
Sometimes simple ideas that we don’t think about will improve a painting alot.
Good luck.Have a nice weekend,
José
I'm not lazy because I sleep until late. I just dream alot.
July 5, 2009 at 8:14 am #1121134If the surface is too slick, throw a coat of Colourfix primer[/URL], in clear, over it.
If these are just for practice, why not! I believe that the primer does not seal the surface (I don’t have any proof of this — it’s just an opinion) so if the oil isn’t 110% dry, no harm done. It can still breathe.
Be sure to let us see your results, too!
Jan
July 5, 2009 at 8:14 am #1121133How thick is the oil paint? If it’s just a sketchy underpainting, you might get somewhere with the idea. If it is sketchy, I’d spritz it with some workable fixative to put a little tooth on the oil. (And will the fixative stick to the oil – I don’t know.) And like it was said, you could try oil pastels or oilsticks. Oil pastels won’t dry, of course, but oilsticks will.
Michael Chesley Johnson AIS MPAC PSA
www.MChesleyJohnson.comJuly 5, 2009 at 10:10 am #1121136Jose, I beg to differ on your statement not to use oil pastels. If the oil painting is totally dry, the oil pastels can go over the top and be treated just like an oil pastel painting – and it would have to be framed under glass.
Now, you would never put oil paints over oil pastels – that is a big no-no.
July 5, 2009 at 11:05 am #1121138Hi Kathryn,
Yes, from that perspective, that would be plausible.
As long as the become the last layer.Kind regards,
José
I'm not lazy because I sleep until late. I just dream alot.
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