Genesis "heat Set Artists Oils" – Not!

[tbezesky]

What doesn’t kill you will make you stronger!:D

Tracy Bezesky
New Blog:
http://www.dailyWIP.com/

[Reye]

Gosh….lots of thin skins around…
Anyway…Tracy…to get away from the apparent controversy……I have several paintings with the Genesis”stuff”. The only problem I have had is when I want to go back over and highlight…sometimes I do not get it dried enough and I have experienced some peeling. So the only advice I have is to make sure you get it dry or do wet on wet. To me…it is another medium that takes some experimentation and I am sure that some pure oil artists possibly will not care for them. I like to experiment and I have probably 7 or 8 paintings using Genesis paints. I am not very pure so I usually paint with whatever I feel like that day – oil, watercolor, acrylic,……Genesis. I am not too worried about whether they are hydrocarbon based or not.

Jerry

[tbezesky]

It has to be completely dry or completely wet before you put on another layer.
If it’s not dry all the way through you just have a skin on top.

Tracy Bezesky
New Blog:
http://www.dailyWIP.com/

[Luis Guerreiro]

[i]Originally posted by tracysart [/i]
[B]
With that maybe your art can survive a nuclear holocaust! [/B]

Tracey,

You really shuldn’t expect to be able to come round and be provocative without adequate response…

I’ll just say for the sake of being polite to you that I believe you have missed the point.

Regards

Luis

© GVW Lewis

[guillot]

Well……….

All I can say is……….

WOW.

I agree that it is mislabeled and misleading.

I agree that people should experiment.

I agree that the question is of archival quality and toxicity.

I absolutely agree in the preservation of “OILS” as we know them.

AND please………stop killing the poor little animals whoever that was! 172…………that’s terrible!! I can understand maybe a few, but 172?? YAK

Luis dear………please don’t re-hash the killing of animals for brushes :D…….LOL (HUGS)

Tina

[CynthiaKelly]

Luis – I appreciate your bringing this up – I am concerned as you appear to be not with the product per se, or with those on this list who use and like the product, but only with deceptive and misleading marketing and labeling of that product. Maybe i missed something but I did not see anything in your posts that criticized anyone for using, liking, and even advocating Genesis. From my reading of your posts that was simply not the issue.

I had no idea Genesis was not an oil product – I read and believed the label. Not that it would make a difference – if I used Genesis and liked it they could call it marshmallow creme and (as long as it WAS marshmallow creme) I’d still use the stuff. I did not see any mention of you bringing this up directly with Genesis. Did you? and if you did, what was their response? Besides the legal action you’ve taken, addressing this issue with large sales outlets for artists’ supplies, like Dick Blick (banner above as I type), Pearl, Cheap Joes – asking them to add a disclaimer to the product descriptions in their catalogs might be an effective way to get the right info to the consumer and to get the attention and cooperation of Genesis in correcting the product description in their own materials.

Cynthia Kelly
http://www.cynthiakelly.com

[rachelc]

You’ve got to use a blue sable before you knock it. The lustre, the perfection.

I believe we said trapped not killed. Yes, that’s right, we trap ’em, give them a little hair cut and let ’em go. Gestation for a blue sable is 12 months so we don’t take chances with the numbers out there, we’ve actually seen the numbers grow as a result of placing the animals back into areas where they are needed most.

This year has been the best ever and all I can say is:

I’ll have a blue, blue ,blue, blue Christmas

~bri

"...Oh, but if I had the stars from the darkest night
And the diamonds from the deepest ocean,
I'd forsake them all for your sweet kiss,
For that's all I'm wishin' to be ownin'...."
~Bob Dylan

[robinsn]

Yes, that’s right, we trap ’em, give them a little hair cut and let ’em go.

Bri – As much as I would like to believe this last quote which would be a very environmentally sound practice (except I wonder how well they survive bald), your next quote makes it very hard to believe.

I will be selling the brushes as “LAPISABLES” and the glue as “DEEP-BLUE STICKY GOO”

What’s the deal?

-Randy

[rachelc]

I’m just having fun with the thread…I know of no blue sables in existence, and I wouldn’t possibly have the time for humane animal traps and giving animals free haircuts. I have a source for my rabbitskin glue already.

So, though I’ve survived in the wilderness bald, I wouldn’t subject my ficticious blue-haired vermin to the same fate.

…and my Mrs. ain’t in Mississippi

~bri

:o

"...Oh, but if I had the stars from the darkest night
And the diamonds from the deepest ocean,
I'd forsake them all for your sweet kiss,
For that's all I'm wishin' to be ownin'...."
~Bob Dylan

[robinsn]

okay, you got me!

-Randy

[Scott Methvin]

So Elvis,

How’s the fishin’? Were they bitin’?
Shoooeee, looks like you caught you one!:p

“blue, blue, crimus.”

"Those who fail to study history
are doomed to learn it
from Hollywood."

[DanaT]

But seriously, folks, can anybody imagine someone wanting to get some oil paints and getting the heat-set oils instead?

I mean, a beginner wants to learn oil painting so they go to the art store…and they pick up the heat-set oils when the oils are right there?

Or, they sign up for an oil class, take the teacher’s supply list…and pick up the heat-set oils?

Somehow I can’t picture that. Prolly the people buying these paints know oils and their long drying time and want to try something similar but quicker.

My Blog - Small Shafts of Light

[guillot]

LOL Bri…………

I now understand!!

Tina

[Luis Guerreiro]

[i]Originally posted by CynthiaKelly [/i]
[B]Luis – I appreciate your bringing this up – I am concerned as you appear to be not with the product per se, or with those on this list who use and like the product, but only with deceptive and misleading marketing and labeling of that product. Maybe i missed something but I did not see anything in your posts that criticized anyone for using, liking, and even advocating Genesis. From my reading of your posts that was simply not the issue.

I had no idea Genesis was not an oil product – I read and believed the label. Not that it would make a difference – if I used Genesis and liked it they could call it marshmallow creme and (as long as it WAS marshmallow creme) I’d still use the stuff. I did not see any mention of you bringing this up directly with Genesis. Did you? and if you did, what was their response? Besides the legal action you’ve taken, addressing this issue with large sales outlets for artists’ supplies, like Dick Blick (banner above as I type), Pearl, Cheap Joes – asking them to add a disclaimer to the product descriptions in their catalogs might be an effective way to get the right info to the consumer and to get the attention and cooperation of Genesis in correcting the product description in their own materials. [/B]

Thanks for your post Cynthia,

Well, I did notify the manufacturer through their rep in the United Kingdom, for this issue. See above my posts, with transcriptions of my letters.
I am not taking legal action nor was it my intention to do so, because in Britain one doesn’t have to take legal action. I only raised the issue with the Authority that deals with Consumers Rights and Trade Descriptions stuff, etc. They will be the ones to look and resolve the problem with the manufacturer, if applicable.

Regards

Luis

© GVW Lewis

[paintfool]

[i]Originally posted by DanaT [/i]
[B]But seriously, folks, can anybody imagine someone wanting to get some oil paints and getting the heat-set oils instead?

I mean, a beginner wants to learn oil painting so they go to the art store…and they pick up the heat-set oils when the oils are right there?

Or, they sign up for an oil class, take the teacher’s supply list…and pick up the heat-set oils?

Somehow I can’t picture that. Prolly the people buying these paints know oils and their long drying time and want to try something similar but quicker. [/B]

Yeah i’ve got to agree with you Dana. The packaging looks nothing like traditional oil packaging. They don’t even come in tubes so if one is so inclined as to purchase a product without at least reading the label they’d be quite the fool.

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