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March 17, 2001 at 7:49 am #982761
Ive looked everywhere for this color, which I have seen in several books – listed as good to use for accents on fruit and flowers. Does it no longer exist? or perhaps does it have another name (I saw “shell pink” which looked similar)
Also, does anyone know how to mix a reasonable facsimilie of this color using reds and white?
Vance
"You don't paint what you SEE, you paint what you SAW" -Helen Van Wyk
March 17, 2001 at 2:47 pm #996767Vance,
You might try Alizarin Crimson and white. It makes a very pretty pink
Happy painting,
Dee
March 17, 2001 at 4:04 pm #996764I don’t find any colors that include white in them to be very useful. I think it’s better to mix in your own white.
With red, violet, and green, you can mix any color of pink.
The green is need to tone down the red/violet. Mixing just quinacridone violet and white makes a pink so bright like would never been seen in nature.
Indian Red and white makes a pretty nice pink.
There are many ways to make pink.
March 17, 2001 at 5:23 pm #996771Floral Pink is a Gary Jenkins color made by Martin F. Weber. If you can find someone who carriers his paint, you’ve got it. It comes in his floral painting set. It might be available through venders who carry Permalba, also M.F. Weber. Rose Madder makes a beautiful pink color, very different than quinacridones; much softer and useful for such flowers as New Dawn rose, which calls for a baby butt pink. Rose Dore is even more subtle with a warmer undertone. I love it with rose madder. If you like quinacridone violet you must like quina. magenta-you need your raybans when working with that color. Permanent Rose by Winsor Newton is also a nice pink right out of the tube. Holbein makes a shell pink, if that’s what you’re referring to, but that’s pretty weak and you can’t do much with that color.
March 17, 2001 at 9:57 pm #996766Grumbacher Red makes a good pink too. It’s a more true red and doesn’t lean toward violet or orange when you mix it with white.
I read somewhere that Winsor Red is very similar to the Grumbacher Red.
March 17, 2001 at 10:53 pm #996768Just a side-note: Helen Van Wyk, in her book, “Painting Flowers the Van Wyk Way”, begs readers 2 or three times not to use cadmium red medium or cadmium red deep in flower painting mixtures because she said that it would make a dull flower. She used Grumbacher Red and cad red light. I don’t think I’ve ever used cad red medium in a flower. I’d be curious to know what others think about that. I don’t think I wanna try it now……Helen seemed pretty knowledgeable.
March 18, 2001 at 8:38 am #996773Hi Paintbrush74 (I looked in your profile for your name but its not listed): Admiring Helen’s work and teaching methods as much as I do, I tend to take her word as gospel; She has been my primary teacher and inspiration, along with my grandmother : ). However, I am finding that painting has so many different possibilities and there is rarely a “wrong” way of doing anything- just ways that are more or less effective DEPENDING on the individual circumstance.
Helen, for instance mostly uses acrylic underpaintings for her work; a practice that I have emulated from my first effort – since then, I have found that working straight on a canvas works too and then there is the argument that acrylic u/p does not provide an appropriate foundation for oils (over time).
It wouldnt surprise me to find that cad. red medium or deep might have their moments in a floral painting.
Just a thought.
Vance
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“Now I shall put my cluttered house in order..and seek a half remembered path again- to race the slant of shadows and redeem the pattern of a torn and scattered dream” – my grandmother, Margaret Goodwyn"You don't paint what you SEE, you paint what you SAW" -Helen Van Wyk
March 18, 2001 at 9:28 am #996772Vance – I was using acrylic underpaintings for a long time, too, until I read all the controversy about it. Now I just use white and umber (which I was taught originally about a hundred years ago) with turps. It dries very quickly so that I can start painting immediately and I dont’ have to worry about it. And I agree, there are too many possibilities in painting so say any one way is right or wrong. Especially with all the choices we have today. We like what we like.
I was looking at an old book of mine by Joyce Pike and her palette consists pretty much of the “normal” pigments, including the cads. A “newer” paint that I do like is rose madder. It’s great for glazing.
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March 18, 2001 at 9:51 am #996774Hi Les. Yes, I checked out one of Joyce Pike’s books at the library.. In fact I am currently reading it..She is quite a painter, I think! And her use of color is suberb.
Vance
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“Now I shall put my cluttered house in order..and seek a half remembered path again- to race the slant of shadows and redeem the pattern of a torn and scattered dream” – my grandmother, Margaret Goodwyn"You don't paint what you SEE, you paint what you SAW" -Helen Van Wyk
March 18, 2001 at 2:06 pm #996765W&N Permanent Rose contains quinacridone violet. Grumbacher Thio Violent contains quinacridone violet. Both of these colors are more magenta colored than violet colored, in my opinion, but the Grumacher is more violet than the W&N.
Winsor Red and Grumbacher Red are both napthol, which is the same color as cadmium red medium, but not quite as opaque as cadmium.
I think that the color we think of as “pink” is magenta mixed with white. Red and white produces a color halfway between “pink” and “salmon”.
As Homer Simpson would say, “ummmm, saaalllmon”
March 18, 2001 at 4:40 pm #996769I agree with you guys that, in art, the guidelines of color and pigment usage are definitely not written in stone. If I gave the impression that I was advocating a rigid rule, I didn’t mean to. We do need to learn from our own experiences. Having said that, I also believe that learning from other, more experienced artists can save me a lot of grief.
Let them make the mistakes, not me….just kidding…I learn a lot from my mistakes, too.
March 20, 2001 at 4:37 pm #996770I use the Old Holland Pink. It is very pretty.
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