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November 21, 2003 at 12:59 am #1018852
I started out using Canson (and still use it at times. The pads are really great for sketching), but I’ve come to love large sheets of Fabriano Tiziano. So many beautiful colors, a rather nice tooth, and a texture I just love.
November 21, 2003 at 4:12 am #1018838Well I LIKE the canson paper – I like the smooth side for using pastel pencil paintings of dogs.
I used the rough side at the beginning of my pastelling (my first threads) and someone told me it gave an ‘orange peel’ effect.
I mainly use the Art Spectrum colourfix paper now because it is cheap here – $NZ6.90 a sheet. I painted Molly with pastel pencils on the AS paper, whereas I painted my first dog on the smooth side of the canson… which is $NZ4 (multiply the prices by .6 to give you an idea of comparison of costs) – how much does it cost in the US?
I am back using the canson for my next dog and it feels much better for my style.
I never thought about checking it for defects though Stoy – good point.
In my ‘stash’ I have a large piece of some kind of fine textured card which is for pastels, but at $NZ15, it would have to be something really special for me to paint – it would have been perfect for my “Nic” painting – the colour is the same as our wall.
So in all my gabble – IMHO I think Canson is good for hard pastels, conte sticks and pastel pencils, whereas the more textured papers take both hard and soft.
My art tutor says that for realism paintings you polish your gesso panels smooth – I wonder if the same principle would be the same for pastel?
Actually, I managed to get Jackie’s book out of the library – I must read what she says.
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November 21, 2003 at 7:04 am #1018835AnonymousI use Canson – smooth side – about 75% of the time. Wallis, Art Spectrum and others for the other 25%. And I truly like working on the Canson! But, I also like working on Wallis and Art Spectrum.
Canson is what I teach my students to paint on. It really doesn’t matter whether the smooth or the rough side. Though the rough side is a good texture for some paintings. And I have used it!
Canson makes you think before applying pastel to the paper — you know that you only have several layers of pastel that will apply to the paper unless you use workable fixative spray in between layers. It also does not use up your pastel sticks quite as fast as the sanded papers.
Someone said they could not get any detail on the Canson. Well, have a look at a painting on Canson and tell me you cannot get detail!
Canson is a wonderful paper and useful in many ways. As are all the others, too!
November 21, 2003 at 2:50 pm #1018844November 22, 2003 at 12:56 am #1018834I would like to put in my vote for la carte, I love it. I did one picture that I really liked on Canson and now I have a stack of it that I am not going to use so if anyone wants it let me know. I am hooked on la carte.
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www.etsy.com/shop/shariartsNovember 22, 2003 at 1:20 pm #1018854Maggie Muchmore, a wonderful pastelist from Santa Fe, told me that she used Canson, “because I like the fight.” ROFL!! That’s how I feel about it, but I don’t enjoy the fight, I guess. Everyone is different, thank God, so there are different papers for different needs–whether you enjoy the fight or not!
Deborah
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Gouache BlogNovember 22, 2003 at 2:03 pm #1018846I like the rough side. I like surprises.
I like using watercolor paper.
I like using sandpaper.
But my favorite is using mat board. Yummmm.
Helen
November 23, 2003 at 9:12 am #1018855Just wandering back in to the forum again–and found some food for thought!
I’m a really rank beginner, and was wondering if my attempts at more than sketching were all my own fault (lack of experience) or if my materials were the problem. I’ve been using Canson because it’s what I’ve got.
With all of the feedback on this thread, I think I’m going to have to try a new support. Maybe something else will give me the results I want.
Thanks to everyone for their comments!
Peg
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November 23, 2003 at 10:50 am #1018845Peg, I use the Canson in open studio, or when I know that for whatever reason, I won’t be laying down lots of layers anyway. In open studio, the time constraints alone prevent me from putting lots of layers in, so there’s no point to me using an expensive support material!
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One year from now, you'll wish you had started today.October 5, 2006 at 2:33 pm #1018874Can’t abide the stuff, and only use it when I’m desperate:lol: , like forgot to order paper!!!
I hate having to teach with it also, but I have to sometimes, as it is the most readily available, and maybe that’s why I hate it:evil: Trying to teach a layering technique on it is the pits:eek:
I don’t like the waffles, and , like others, just don’t like the fight…
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"We derive more benefit from having our faults pointed out by our enemies than from hearing the opinions of friends." (Leonardo da Vinci 1452-1519)October 5, 2006 at 4:04 pm #1018859I still use Canson on a rare occasion, especially if it’s for a subject I’m not sure I can accomplish. So it’s basically just a practice paper for me now. But considering I started out with Strathmore pastel paper, even the Canson isn’t so bad in a pinch! I prefer Wallis or Colourfix now, or the Pastelbords.
Christine
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Christine NeidhoferOctober 5, 2006 at 11:02 pm #1018869Interesting to see this argument existed even before I began pasteling about 18 months ago.
I voted for Canson smooth side. My fave is actually Art Spectrum, which I totally adore – but it does not come in a convenient size, and Canson does. So I actually use Canson quite a lot. I use it all the time in my art classes. But I cannot abide the rough side as I’m one of those who HATES for even the teeniest little bit of the background support to show through the painting. And with Canson rough side it’s just about impossible to fill up that “orange peel”
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October 6, 2006 at 3:04 am #1018877I like the smooth side of Canson. I have been using it for about two years. Recently I started using Wallis and have done about six large pictures on Wallis and maybe five or six on La Carte. I like them both. For fun, two days ago I decided to go back to the smooth side of Canson to see how I would like it. To my delight I find I still like it! Certainly the three papers have different feels to them but it is kinda fun to go back and forth and see how to make one’s drawing and blending skills work on the different surfaces.
JoAnneOctober 6, 2006 at 2:29 pm #1018870Smooth side, definitely. It’s my paper of choice for animal paintings. I also like Colourfix and Wallis for other subjects, but I wouldn’t want to use those for the way I do fur.
October 9, 2006 at 1:24 pm #1018861Canson smooth side – the chicken wire side is a total switch-off for me. But then I’m also someone who likes doing pastel on abrasive supports and CP on papers which have a bit of tooth but have no overall design built in to the paper – I don’t like laid papers such as Ingres and I don’t like the Canson chicken-wire
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