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    elenanight
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        I am still fairly new to watercolor and I was wondering if you could use frisket over an area that is already painted. Any tips would be wonderful :)

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        WthrLady
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            Yes, but it must be.100%, totally, no doubts dry before application, and it may take off some pigment upon removal.

            #1158148
            winniety
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                I am new too,i think you could use frisket over paint,:wave:

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                As Caryl said, frisket is usable over dry paint, so be patient and wait before applying it.

                It may lighten the color a bit when you take it off, so be sure to do a test on a scrap piece of paper before using it. ;)

                Some papers don’t like frisket no matter what, so it is smart to do a test on a scrap in any case. I remember learning that the hard way. :rolleyes:
                Sylvia

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                UNK
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                    Always use fresh Frisket. Old stuff will tear and be hard to remove over paint or simply over clean paper.

                    UNK

                    #1158147
                    markhous
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                        Hi, I am also new to watercolor, as such I use fairly cheap materials. I have found that When I mask over paint, no matter how dry I lose pigment when I lift the frisket. When ever possible I mask before painting, this sometimes requires more planning, but its worth it to me to have fresh paper to paint on that won’t be disturbed.

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                        Barb
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                            It may lighten the color a bit when you take it off, so be sure to do a test on a scrap piece of paper before using it. ;)

                            Sylvia

                            I don’t know why this happens, but the couple of times I’ve tried to use fisket over paint, I’ve observed a color change too- but it was so long ago, I can’t remember if it was darker or lighter, but based on what Sylvia said, probably lighter.

                            Try it on a scrap piece of paper, maybe brand of paper or brand of frisket matters.

                            Please let us know if you get it to work, and list paper brand and frisket brand. (My attempts were on Arches paper and Winsor Newton frisket).

                            Barbara

                            #1158135

                            I do this. I heat the paint with a hairdrier to ensure it is dry, (If the paper is at all wet you risk paint going under the masque or having the paper tear, failing under the surface when the frisket is removed). I then apply the frisket with a soap saturated brush with a quick strokes. Avoid going over the wet frisket a second time as this may move the paint. When removing the masque, you may note a lifting off of paint if the paint is very thick as the top surface is not locked into… imbedded into the paper. I have done this to deliberately lighten heavy paint on occassion.
                            Have fun, Dave

                            #1158146
                            elenanight
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                                Thank everyone for answering my question, I am trying to make a gift for a friend and I want clean edges so I may try using frisket.

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                                janinco
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                                    I did a test on some cheaper watercolor paper (Strathmore). I used Grafix Incredible White Mask frisket applied with a ruling pen over various colors and intensities of paint.

                                    After drying thoroughly I peeled it off. The raw sienna, quin rust, and the reds I used didn’t lose any color at all. But the phthalo blue and green and burnt umber did. It was very slight, but enough to show since I did a line through the middle. If you were masking a whole color area it wouldn’t have been that noticeable.

                                    I peel my mask off by putting on a vinyl glove (you could use latex or nitrile) and pulling gently toward me with my index finger to make it roll up. This causes almost no friction and keeps any oils on your hands off the paper.

                                    Jan

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                                    M.L. Schaefer
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                                        A glove…now that is a GREAT idea, and one I hadn’t heard of before AND am going to use! Schmincke says its frisket is wonderful for masking already painted areas…and Schmincke is definitely above-board with excellent quality products…I’ve used their frisket, am running out of mine W/N and plan to buy more Schmincke…..more expensive, but I like it better than W/N (one bottle already thrown away because it became a gelatinous mess….one bottle arrived a solid block!)

                                        :heart: Margarete

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                                        #1158136

                                        I use the same masque Jan mentions however to peal it off I use the frisket remover Daniel Smith offers. It is a textured hunk of soft rubbery stuff and the frisket adhears to it instantly. Great product.
                                        Have fun, Dave

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                                        Cyntada
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                                            Elenanight, winniety, and markhous, welcome to all three of you! :wave:

                                            I’ve always wanted to try a batik effect in watercolor, placing a yellow wash, then masking and doing the next wash, and so forth until the whole design is done. Now that I know the color won’t be changed (much, if at all) I might just have to try this out!

                                            CK =)
                                            I take great comfort in knowing that my genuine typos will probably be blamed on some device's autocorrect. :angel:
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                                            dpcoffin
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                                                I’ve always wanted to try a batik effect in watercolor, placing a yellow wash, then masking and doing the next wash, and so forth until the whole design is done. Now that I know the color won’t be changed (much, if at all) I might just have to try this out!

                                                You should read up on pysanky[/URL] if you get into this (that’s exactly how these gorgeous decorated eggs are done); and let us see what you come up with!

                                                dpc

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                                                #1158144
                                                Cyntada
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                                                    Oh, thank you for that link!! I have a beautiful Ukranian egg, handmade just for me. A good friend made a batch of these as part of a senior thesis project, all just gorgeous, and needed them photographed to include with her report. The handmade egg was her thank-you gift to me for photographing her work. I treasure it and have always wanted to learn how to make them. That site looks like the perfect place to get started, and hey! Easter is coming!

                                                    For that matter, one could paint the designs on watercolor paper just to enjoy the lovely patterns!

                                                    CK =)
                                                    I take great comfort in knowing that my genuine typos will probably be blamed on some device's autocorrect. :angel:
                                                    DIY art supplies, sketches, and more: cyntada.com / @cyntada
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