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Old 03-03-2012, 01:08 PM
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Use to denote nudity/mature subject matter Folk Art

does anyone know much about iit?

I know what it looks like- i have seen quite a bit of it- but does anyone know anything more about it? and what do you think fits its definition and where has the term come from?

i know about impressionism for example- as there are books and lots of info- but i know it happened at a certain time and started in a certaimn place- but folk art.....does seem to cover a lot


does anyone know anything about it- apart from the fact its often un trained- in bright colors.....
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Re: Folk Art

Check this link out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_art
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yea i read the link thanks. i also read a bit from the museum in America- and they defined folk art as living outside the art academys , so basically- most of the stuff you see on wet canvas (I say MOST- not all) would fit into the establishment of academic and fine art- as you see on wet canvas a lot of fine paintings whcih concentrate on all of the tradional skills of painting- paint handling- composition and design. i think Folk Art doesnt bother with all of that. its untrained.

although, like anything, you can have trained artists doing folk art. perhaps some trained artists arent very good at fine art and turn their back on it- like me, tjhey have a need to paint and create but dont have the capabiltiy to reach the academic standard.

it said on that wiki link, how its colosely linked to outsider art and naive art.
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I took a course on "Folk Art" in college. "Folk Art" was defined quite clearly as the art of a sub-culture that exists within a larger culture and yet remains separate from it. In other words, the art of the Amish could be defined as "Folk Art" but not the art of someone like Martin Ramirez, a self-taught, outsider. "Outsider Art" and "Folk Art" are distinctly different. Quite often the "folk artists" will be as skilled or as trained within his or her tradition as the college educated artist working within the mainstream art traditions.

The Shakers, for example, would be a clear example of a sub-culture (a "folk") living within the larger culture, and yet outside of it. They have a tradition of masterful, almost Minimalist/Modernist furniture and architectural design:







Another example of such a "folk" community would be the isolated African-American community of Gee's Bend, Alabama. The women of this community developed a tradition of quilt-making that is quite different from that of the Amish, or other communities:









Folk Art has no set style but rather changes from community to community based upon the traditions of that community.

By way of contrast, "Outsider Art" is created by individuals... largely untrained and having little of no knowledge of the history of traditions of art... whose artistic endeavors are wholly outside of any community traditions. The art of the mentally ill falls under this category, but also the individual who creates art as a hobbyist or in his or her space time without any formal training or grasp of the artistic traditions.



Henri Rousseau falls into the category of "outsider artist" to a certain extent. He was aware of the art in the museums and sought to emulate it... however he was wholly self-taught and lacked the skills to paint in the manner of the artists he admired.



The institutionalized, Martin Ramirez drawing in crayon and pencil on the papers used to cover the tables during electro-shock therapy...



The mentally-challenged janitor, Henri Darger, who as an adult didn't even know that little girls didn't have penises, who created a grandiose illustrated epic that never went beyond the confines of his Chicago apartment...



and Madge Gil, who spent her childhood in isolation in an orphanage, who as an adult created thousands of drawings dictated (she claimed) by spirits...

These are all examples of true "Outsider Artists" as opposed to "Folk Artists".
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Re: Folk Art

Speeking of the Gee's Bend quilts, I saw some of them at an exhibition when I visited Memphis in 2005, they are well worth seeing, the images don't do them justice.
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oh my goodness- i quite agree Gee Bends quilts are AWESOME!!!! oh my goodness i just love those shapes and colors

wow thanks so much for all of that info...I think i wuld fit into the outsider catagory...as I am mentally challenged...LOL

can an outsider artists borrow from folk art? i see a bit of borrowing-appropiates from folk art. so its made its way into the main stream art world?

aboriginal art work is also major big in the art world being peddled for thousands of dollars- yet the artists are in the ouback painting on dirt ground etc (but get paid for their work)

chris Offili....is he outsider? or folk? he puts dung on his work doesnt he.....


and SHaker style....Ive always loved this style and i love their design. but if it was me..id need a few pictures and some color. living in the shaker world would do my head in- but id love to use its pieces.
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chris Offili....is he outsider? or folk? he puts dung on his work doesnt he.....

No. Chris Offili is fully an insider... within the current traditions of Western Post-Modernism. He is fully conscious of what he is doing a choose to employ the use of sequins and beads in kitsch manner, elephant dung, and intentionally offensive titles such as "S*** Madonna" with an intention to be provocative in the manner of any number of examples of sophomoric "shock art". He uses/abuses his African heritage as a means of excuse for his use of elephant dung, which he claims has spiritual meaning in native African art, but he clearly does not care the least about the traditional meaning of this material, but rather employs it as a means to outrage the audience, and grab the attention of the bored collector.
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SHaker style....Ive always loved this style and i love their design. but if it was me..id need a few pictures and some color. living in the shaker world would do my head in- but id love to use its pieces.

There's almost a Japanese minimalist aesthetic to Shaker style which I quite admire...







... although I quite agree with regards to color. I have far more Baroque/Victorian tastes myself. Then again, the Japanese aesthetic was in part based upon the contrast between the interior and exterior, and the views of the gardens and trees and landscape out of the doors and windows would be seen as the needed color, while the interior architecture provided the frame for viewing this natural world
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Hi Kate, folk art is a term that covers a wide range of styles these days - originally it was a fairly primitive art form. I tried to refer you to the website of the Folk and Decorative Artists of Victoria (sfdav) but not allowed until I've made a couple more posts. If you'd care to google for the site, we have a section called Folk Art Styles. Let me know if you can't find it and I'll try again.
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does anyone know much about iit?

I know what it looks like- i have seen quite a bit of it- but does anyone know anything more about it? and what do you think fits its definition and where has the term come from?

i know about impressionism for example- as there are books and lots of info- but i know it happened at a certain time and started in a certaimn place- but folk art.....does seem to cover a lot


does anyone know anything about it- apart from the fact its often un trained- in bright colors.....

I had heard that Folk art was started on barns in olden times back then people had a great deal of superstition and they painted different types of sign on there barn sides to keep the evil spirits away, where I live in Pennsylvania they still do it, but I think it is for decoration now! Maybe this helps hope so! Ray
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Re: Folk Art

yes it all helps- of course- i value each nugget somene has to put forward.
I will look at the "decorative artists of victoria" thankyou very much!

so chris offili- i believe you on that one- you seem to know more about him- i didnt realise he did that elephant dung to be rebelious.

there is something about the contemporary art establishment that is very formulaic and pretentious i think. but thats for another discussion

im so glad you mentioned Japanese style stlkesguild- as I too seriously love all things Japanese and would change my house to a Japanese one in a heartbeat. i much prefer sitting on the floor too- and being low down

that Shake style- which we all love now- i dont think it was so well loved at the time- you werent allowed any clutter out- no remnants of living- you couldnt sling your hat over a chair...and these things create their own pictures and scenes dont they- the scene in yur house can often change- if you have a change of throw over your sofa- a new picture- a different vase....maybe some work in progress left out....these things create their own different look. i suspect shakers had their kitches and living rooms looking the same for years on end....and from what i heard it did get too restrictive


and dont get me started on Japanese OR chinese style......i have never seen such a rich history- a rich and full culture- full of magic, color and mystery.
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i do believe someone can be a folk artist or an outsider artist- even if they have been all through the art establishment training- as I have. because you can go through the whole process- either not being able to do it- or not agreeing with it.

the mainstream art establishment has a strict criterea it pretends that it doesnt- but it does.

here is the link to the Decorative Artists of Victoria- its intersting to find some celctic design in there....

http://sfdav.com.au/

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Glad you find sfdav's site of interest, Kate. The Celtic art is mine, by the way! Gail
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Kate, Folk art was very popular here several years ago - but it seems to have gone out of vogue. It was originally a simplified stroke painting style by untrained people - in Europe different regions have their own distinctive painting styles - Germany has Bauernmalerei (translates as farmer painting) Norway - Rosemaling, canal boat painting in England - etc.- all are similar. The Europeans took their art with them to America and it evolved into what was known as the Penn Dutch style. It is an easy way for a non painter to start painting because usually the designs are traced onto a surface and filled in with strokework.
I taught and wrote about it many years ago - here.
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Hmm interesting thread you've got going on here, especially with the thing about spirits
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