Session 2- 120 Paintings... Outline, discussion

[LarrySeiler]

Originally Posted by sfroelich

For those looking for the Schmid painting, I think I found it here


http://www.americanartlicensing.com/...roject_id=1181

here is an old thread back in 2006 that I posted, yes...one in the same falls painting, Steve...thanks!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366269

[carol_lee]

Thanks Larry for a very informative presentation... was one of the lucky ones that got in .. use chrome as my browser.... tuned in also at 1AM...
I have a few questions concerning the -120-
1. Since I have a tablet... wacum one of the older models would painting there count.Since color mixing is so different from oils and digital colors???
2. What are your thoughts about using photos for simple oil sketches?
That light box thing looks good but don't think I could manage to make one.. only other option available light source....

One thing I am pushing for is harmony of color so I was very interested in your views about the limited palette.... I am sure you know of the artist James Gurney... he has written about his color theory in his blog called Gamut masking... http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/20...follow-up.html this looks similar.... also recently purchased Confidential Color by Nita Leland...a North Light publication...she has lots of exercises with different color wheels + a page on split complementary.... I find the concept very interesting... I am starting a group of flower images.. flower portraits.... some Israeli wildflowers... my first is a calanit
-Crown Anemone- http://www.wildflowers.co.il/english/plant.asp?ID=272
In this case I would probably choose red or a red orange as the dominate color ... If I chose red then my compliments would be green and blue.... I gather these would be of my choice--- which green /blue
green would be my ---yellow---??? Would it then be kosher to introduce yellow if I felt I needed it?

On the other hand if I chose red -orange then I would have a blue-green and blue-yellow as my -primaries--
Guess I will have to take out my paints and experiment.....

Thanks again for an informative lecture.... and sorry for the rambling....

PS as for those delving into the 120 think it a good idea to share our blogs and progress.... think it would be a bit too much to ask Larry to crit 120 x more than hundreds that took part.

[LarrySeiler]

thanks Carol...and thanks too for stating the obvious...as a working artist, interesting in helping others, yet teaching during my day, painting and so forth...it would be I'm sure undaunting to critique each. I knew nothing about Jeff's 120 works till he was done.

The important thing as I said is deliberate practice, knowing what you want to try and aim for, to see grow. I'm sure as I look over various efforts of folks, I could suggest to one, "you need to work on values, darker darks, lighter lights"...to another, "you should work on edges of your form, which are too harsh" etc.,

I have James Gurney's book on color, and I understand he is a friend of my son Jason as well...

what is important here is that my work, my goals in growing as a painter are that...mine. I am not doing this to produce desire in others to paint as I do. The world is richer for what we all bring creatively.

James, if I remember right..favors the Munsell system...myself I am quite content with the traditional RYB colorwheel.

I would and could advise, and I'm a straight shooter and will level with folks to know what is my opinion. But..I often say that opinions are a bit like armpits. Everyone has at least two of them, and most stink.

I paint as I do after 40 years because I'm a stubborn coot, have a mind to work hard and pretty strong opinions about what I set out to do. What I hope I did tonight was light a fire under people. Don't walk my journey, but for Pete sakes folks do walk yours. Pursue it with passion. I'll tell you how I do things, how I know good teachers taught to do things. The results of my work come from the things I do. If in that folks connect and somehow it helps with their works, that is awesome. But I think I'll have things to say that will encourage you to go your way to work on things in a manner unlike my own.

I saw on Jeff's blog tonight, he is experimenting with a thalo magenta. He never even asked me first...what was he thinking? hahaa...

Point is...I'm excited for Jeff...he has found his path, his creative mission. The growth is apparent, and I don't have to know everything for Jeff. I find it fun to see what he's come up with and dang...I might find myself someday trying some of that pigment!

Speaking to everyone, again...I'll show you how I make my trees...paint water as I do, tell you why I think things work as they do, etc., but don't over inflate what I tell you as ex nihilo! I am after all only human. Take, try, use, leave out what you will...

There are some things that simply are truth...stuff I don't invent but submit to like anyone else. Time proving principles on composition for one...but we are always learning.

peace everyone...off to bed at this late hour.

Larry

good stuff, Carol..thanks!

[riverwolf]

Thanks for the pat on the back...lol... I am allowing myself to complain for a few hours more then back to working on being there next week.

Will study notes and watch the thread. Will be on a daily painting again. At the moment I have tons of 8x8 boards I can use. Squares feel awkward to me and I think using them for at least 60 paintings will help me get over that obstacle. Anyone have any ideas on composition/design in square format? Was that covered at all in the first lesson?

Larry, I very much appreciate what you are doing here. As I've said (somewhere) before, I spent the last 20 years on a small Greek island with no real internet and no painting friends. Being able to attend these webinars, or even just be here on wetcanvas, is such a blessing for me. I am learning so much.

Have yourselves an wonderful day

Vida

[riverwolf]

btw, I'm downloading Chrome now. I use firefox on a macbook. I wish I could get into the webinar place 30 minutes before the class starts so I could fiddle and perhaps move to my girls' pc to see if it works there.

Being a mac user I don't think firewalls are the problem, but then again I am not a tech-y kind of person.

Will search it out this week... wish me luck!

Vida

[Yorky]

I watched last night's webinar with no problems Larry.

I'm a watercolourist with some experimentation in gouache (and you know how different those techniques are). Nevertheless I am watching to learn how to avoid painting every little thing I see, to get to the essence of a scene.

I hope you can solve the technical problems with the videos.

Doug

[carol_lee]

I was a Firefox user, but one of the updates really made a mess.... so now I use chrome.... its a great FAST browser... once you get used to the different interface...hope it helps you get in.... I also tune in at 1AM ...we're sort of neighbors after the class I really couldn't wind down....
sending you a PM

[LarrySeiler]

Originally Posted by riverwolf

Will study notes and watch the thread. Will be on a daily painting again. At the moment I have tons of 8x8 boards I can use. Squares feel awkward to me and I think using them for at least 60 paintings will help me get over that obstacle. Anyone have any ideas on composition/design in square format? Was that covered at all in the first lesson?

Larry, I very much appreciate what you are doing here. As I've said (somewhere) before, I spent the last 20 years on a small Greek island with no real internet and no painting friends. Being able to attend these webinars, or even just be here on wetcanvas, is such a blessing for me. I am learning so much.

Have yourselves an wonderful day

Vida

It is so strange today...that in my school district I am considered like a computer geek/tech guy. My background prior to my re-entering the classroom, was painting full time, promoting my work and painstakingly working thru manuals to build my webpages in html coding. Thank goodness for decent software/template programs now, and for blogs that are so easy for anyone to use.

But...I was in the 70's up and into the early 90's one of those typical artists working in isolation. My exposure to other artists were at exhibitions and competitions. I relished the opportunity at those events to meet artists, pick their brains, and some pick mine. When the internet availed itself to me...that we could actually make our world smaller meant no one any more needed to reinvent the wheel.

One of my pleasures in sharing what I know with other artists, is to imagine that some will not have to bang their head against a wall and worry so about finding information.

I think...had we had this years ago, I might well be a much better painter than I am now. Then again...teaching generations that have never not known computers to not exist...I don't know. They seem, so many of them, to expect without trying...and to care very little.

Okay...Vida...on my blot (link below in my signature) I list peers that I admire, artists that I look up and draw inspiration to see what they are doing. I consider the artists I have listed some of the very best today....and can say unequivocally that if you are looking for the one stop spot to go to see and study the best, you bookmark my blog...and spend time on those websites and blogs I've linked!!! Seriously..

Now for anyone wanting to be inspired...and have no question what can be done with a SQUARE format...one of my favorite daily artists is Carol Marine...
http://carolmarine.blogspot.com/

...and in fact, if folks can't see how painting as she does with the regimen that I delivered and taught last night has led to her brilliance, then I would suggest many are then clueless and don't get it. Check her out...be inspired, and never doubt a square format's possibility again!!!

[LarrySeiler]

Originally Posted by Yorky

I watched last night's webinar with no problems Larry.

I'm a watercolourist with some experimentation in gouache (and you know how different those techniques are). Nevertheless I am watching to learn how to avoid painting every little thing I see, to get to the essence of a scene.

I hope you can solve the technical problems with the videos.

Doug

working on it Doug..
got home, could have relaxed and even have gone to bed earlier. I'm feeling it this morning, trust me. But, I was so frustrated about what happened that I took one of my original video's rough capture edited formats, used another program to create what I think will work. Its a rather large byte size, but I'm going to test it out. Bought a good sized external drive now just to store such to, and shortly I'm thinking I'll have the bugs out of the way!

Its good to hear what things you're wanting to resolve in your own painting as well, which then gives me ideas of what type of session to plan.

I hope...that after this series is done, F&W will invite me to do more in the future. I will prepare a bit earlier, and diligently for such specifically so things are prepared. We'll see how things go...thanks

[LarrySeiler]

Originally Posted by carol_lee

I was a Firefox user, but one of the updates really made a mess.... so now I use chrome.... its a great FAST browser... once you get used to the different interface...hope it helps you get in.... I also tune in at 1AM ...we're sort of neighbors after the class I really couldn't wind down....
sending you a PM

sometimes the upgrades are a real pain...
its like having a half-dozen doctors all prescribing and no one that keeps them all informed. A good pharmacist picks up on such...and calls doctors back. Unfortunately we need a good "browser" type pharmacist!

I have found that the latest Firefox means other softwares like Adobe Acrobat etc., won't work unless you upgrade, and on and on...which in the end means losing some features you like. Like it or not...its like they force this constant learning curve on us, and for those of us that use it for professional purposes it messes with all that we already have on our plates!

Never heard of "Chrome"...I'll have to look into it...

[siberart]

Great class Larry,and sorry you could not present your new paintings. It was interesting that you could use Facetime.

No Q & A panel on the Webinar app on my iPad2 but I figure questions can be submitted here. Macworld is touting Google Chrome and says it works faster and better than Safari. Try it, you will like it.

Thanks

[oldradagast]

Thanks for another great class, Larry, and for your your military service as well.

[LarrySeiler]

thanks Pat..good to hear the endorsement on the Google Chrome...and Matthew, thanks...

[sherrysherman]

Originally Posted by LarrySeiler

Now for anyone wanting to be inspired...and have no question what can be done with a SQUARE format...one of my favorite daily artists is Carol Marine...
http://carolmarine.blogspot.com/

...and in fact, if folks can't see how painting as she does with the regimen that I delivered and taught last night has led to her brilliance, then I would suggest many are then clueless and don't get it. Check her out...be inspired, and never doubt a square format's possibility again!!!

Oh, I love Carol Marine's stuff!! She accomplishes so much with such simple powerful strokes - I thought of her immediately when you spoke of "deliberate" strokes. I understand that in her workshops she actually does ask people to count their brushstrokes!

Did you know her house in Texas burned down about a month ago?? She managed to rescue her small paintings but not her big ones. Also she lost ALL of her huge supply of still life items. They decided to use the total loss as an impetus to move to Oregon.

[LynnM]

Thanks, Larry, you have prodded me and inspired me....have had other things to do the last few months so no painting, now I want to get going. Just moved, but my painting area is set up and ready to go