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Old 11-24-2011, 11:42 PM
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Re: Fantasy with Stillman & Birn Sketchbooks

Alright, Pat, I've done the testing for you all day today. I used Golden Acrylic Gesso and put one layer each on all the journals here for comparison.

Stillman Delta 7x10 inch spiral 180 lb
Handbook Journal 8.25 x 5.5 inch hardbound 130 gsm (around 70-80 lb)
Pentalic Nature Sketchbook 130 lb 9x12 inch
Classic Cachet 100 lb 5x7 inch
Stillman Alpha 9x12 inch hardbound 100 lb

Technically, the moment you put gesso on a surface, it renders the surface much more durable for lifting colors up that it didn't matter whether it's a Stillman or not. (Haha...I'm talking as though Stillman is like a Moleskin. It's getting to be I think.)

The first test was on this very flimsy looking Handbook Journal. It feels like the most flimsy paper of the bunch above and I want to see if I could convert the surface to accept aggressive watermedia treatment.

Yep, it did. But there's another problem. Gesso literally clogs up every pore on the surface and it's almost like painting on Yupo. It's slick and takes FOREVER to dry. A good half hour at least.

Here's the first wash.

( I had a terrible nightmare yesterday of these gigantic 100 feet long water snakes chasing after me and my baby and I scaled the wall like kung fu master and they were sniffing me! My husband doesn't understand why I dream like a kid. )

After 10 mins, it is still wet. At any time you apply a wet brush, it picks up the watercolor and you'll have to do patch up work. It's a pain.

Yet, the good point is you could lift color off any time you want, even when it's dry an hour later.




Here's the final version with Daniel Smith watercolor and then Derwent Graphitint.



Then I tried the Stillman Delta. The right hand side was done a couple of months ago with Daniel Smith watercolor and on a plain Delta surface wet on wet and lifting of colors here and there with a paper towel.

The left hand side is gessoed today and the colors just keep rolling around and spread. Luckily, it's a breeze to use a brush to mop up to get white. If you don't mind fiddling around with paint, a gesso surface gives you a lot of possibilities of white light areas. The problem is when you lift it, it really gives you white most of the time. It doesn't stain an ungessoed surface which gives you a nice residue pigment at least.

So in future, you could color your gesso first with paint if you know what color you like for the whole piece for highlights.



This piece was on the Classic Cachet beige sketchbook. But my gesso was white so it's white.

Here I first used Liquitex yellow acrylic tube paint and Golden Quin Gold Fluid acrylic for the insect first. I want to see if I could lift the colors off the gesso after it dries. No luck. Acrylic is acrylic. Once dried, it's stuck. The surrounding areas are Holbein blue and red mix gouache since you asked about gouache too. It acts like watercolor and it lifts like watercolor. It has the same frustration, plus the fact that gesso is pasty, it leaves residue brush strokes just like pastel ground.

So, not only I can't patch up perfectly, it has patterns in the sky. So be it. There's pattern in the sky.

But the pebbled surface is the new discovery. With gesso at the bottom, I could do any wiping I want with brush and paper towel and the sketchbook wouldn't break or pill. It's the same with the Hand Book Journal and Stillman. And I've discovered the advantages of using acrylics for light color parts and the bug. You overshoot the dark paint into the legs, just wipe it off with a moist towel and it's good as new.

So I'd say, mix your media for optimum ease!!!

This one has also Lyra Polychromos colored pencil detailing too and more yellow gouache.




The next one is on the Stillman Alpha. The top one was done on normal surface recently with Yarka Professional watercolor and Daniel Smith watercolor.

The bottom one was done with the same two watercolor but on a gessoed surface. See how clean it is when I mop the tower up? It's amazing. And when I used waterbrush, I could lift the windows absolutely white. I used the Kolinsky travel brush and it lifts even better. In general, Kolinsky brushes lift better since they are thirstier than the nylon synthetic brushes. I just added more coloring with dry brush in the end. The sky was smudged with a paper towel when it's close to almost fully dried so it smudges color like charcoal power pigment.

A crummy piece but just to show the lifting and smudging possiblities.

And because I had such a hard time controlling the sky again, I used many repeated washes and so the paper looks a bit more warped but it didn't break down.

Nor did the Hand book Journal. That journal is not as flimsy as it feels.



This one was done on Pentalic and I had to use up my acrylic yellow and gold. The background is Daniel Smith watercolor.



Then when it's dried all over, I went in with Derwent Inktense pencils and then realized it would take me too long for a full page. I abandoned pencils and put more Daniel Smith watercolor on for deeper tones of green everywhere.

Then Caran D'Ache Neocolor II crayons used dry because it has all the colors I need for a chameleon. And it's so opaque and fast.

For final detailing, instead of Inktense, again, I chose Derwent Graphitint.

These bugs are from some children's science book.



Finally, just for fun, I want to see the difference between gesso surface from the new Daniel Smith Watercolor Ground.

This time, I slathered it on a Black Classic Cachet sketchbook 5x7inch and colored the ground with Alizarin Crimson. Why black? I have always wanted to paint on black but no black paper could withstand heavy watercolor technique to date. I want so much to go away from soft pastel because the dust bothers me but soft pastels is the most vibrant still on black surface. So this experiment is important to me.

This paper is the only 70 lb and is meant for only dry media. A few more brushes of the watercolor ground and it was pilling so I stopped and let it dry.

Yarka Professional watercolor. I didn't want to use gouache or it would defeat the purpose of having black background seeping through.




Then I added Derwent Inktense Pencils and Caran D'Ache Neocolor II crayons without wash.

Some Holbein white for highlights.




If Stillman comes out with durable 180 lb black paper, I'll stock up as I have stocked up on scrapbbooking black paper and Classic Cachet black sketchbooks! Do you know how desperate I am to want to paint on black?

So in conclusion, if you need to use gesso for the undersurface because you like this lifting ability, use Delta all the way or at least 130 lb upwards. Gesso is a very fussy ground for watercolor. For acrylics and dry media, it's no problem. You plonk it down it's not going to go anywhere.

Hope that answers your question, Pat.

And here's my continuation of fleshing out my dream.

Stillman Alpha 9x12 inch sketchbook

Derwent Graphitint




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Re: Fantasy with Stillman & Birn Sketchbooks

Alright, I rarely do still life pieces. Especially bottles. But I just need to try something I haven't done yet. So here's to Monthly CP Challenge - November 2011

Stillman Epsilon 7x10 inch 100 lb

Caran D'ache Luminance colored pencils, Derwent Drawing sticks, Lyra Polychromos and Faber Castell Polychromos colored pencils and Prismacolor Artstix with thinner wash.


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Re: Fantasy with Stillman & Birn Sketchbooks

Can I just say WOW. You put so much work into these experiments. All the results are interesting. The underlying patterns the gesso produces when overcoated with another medium could be very useful, incorporating the ideas into a design of some sort. I'll have to try experimenting with gesso in the delta sketchbook. You gave me somewhere to start.
Your dragons are great. Have you ever read "The Dragonriders of Pern"?
It's scifi but the descriptions of the dragons are terrific. I always wanted a dragon but since on this planet they only exist in the imagination, I settled for horses instead. Very similiar to dragons.
Great Cp drawing of the bottles. Glad you participated. Those bottles were hard weren't they? Though the window pane was even harder I think. My drawing is there too though I haven't posted on this forum in by sketchbook yet.
What do you think of the Luminance Pencils compared to the other brands?
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Lots of fun experiments!!!! I enjoyed reading about what you were trying!
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:12 AM
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Re: Fantasy with Stillman & Birn Sketchbooks

Thank you, Joan, for your comments.

Pat, I'm glad the experiments are of good use for you. No, I haven't read that book at all. I'll definitely check it out. I hope you would try your hand at dragons too. Don't forget to post it at the fantasy and sci fi section if you do.

Bottles are so hard to do and it needs such patience. I think Luminance is the best pencils there is out there in terms of layering ability. It keeps a sharp point well and you could easily do 10 layers even on Epsilon surface.

Having said that, the colors are more subdued than the Faber Castell Polychromos and I have to fall back on the latter when it came to the bright and vibrant blues. The Luminance colors are very similar to Lyra Polychromos colors but Lyra has more greens and blues. Luminance has more earth colors.

If I have to start all over again, I only need 3 sets of pencils. Faber Castell Polychromos, Caran D'ache Luminance and Prismacolor. (But of course, I have almost everything else too.) I assume Pablos could be similar to Faber Castell Polychromos range and so you should be set if you have Pablos already. I have only tried one Pablo green and I didn't like it that I have to apply more pressure to lay down color than Luminance or Faber Castell.
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I've added more colors to my piece just now and washed more with thinner to blend the background.

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Amazing feedback you were able to give us on gessoed surfaces. Thank you so much.

If you are going to read the Dragonriders of Pern series, read the earlier books by Anne McCaffrey, not the more recent ones written by her son, Todd McCaffrey. Unfortunately, we lost the dear lady a few days ago and will not see anymore of her worlds from her point of view.
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I have always been fascinated with black background and while I know that one could mix black and paint a sheet black with a mix that gives prettier variation than a plain black, I am still determined to mine black as a background. While there are black clayboards/aquaboards, for daily sketching, I need a cheaper option.


To date, I've been trying Riva printmaking paper without much success and some inferior black paper that could never take watermedia. So today, I am experimenting on creating my own black surface and I'd like to share with you my results.


I've painted a variety of black materials on many different sketchbooks for comparisons.


Stillman Alpha hardbound 100 lb 9x12 inch
General's Graphite powder smudged all over and then a piece of paper towel soaked with rubbing alcohol wiping all over to treat it.

The graphite didn't really dirty the brush too much to my surprise. I used Yarka Professional watercolor yellow and it was so bright. Almost like gouache. The Grumbacher green didn't shine as much. The rest are Daniel Smith watercolor here and there.



The second one is still the same surface. Now it's a mix of Yasumoto Pearlsescent watercolor and Daniel Smith irisdescent watercolors.




I believe the gray surface showcase the colors superbly. Above is based on Schooner's work. Forgot I shouldn't copy but just practicing.


The next one is done on Stillman Delta 7x10 inch 170 lbs spiral sketchbook.

This page is slathered with a layer of Golden Crackle paste that is colored with Dr. Ph Martin's Bombay India ink black.

Perhaps because the ink is only mixed with the paste and not totally dissolved, it dirtied the paint a bit. The crackle paste is also very hard on my brushes. Not ideal. But here's a night scene of a boat passing through.

I'm actually quite pleased with the large patches of black that is colored with violet and red and the waterway has that unity to it.






This next one has the Golden black pastel and multimedia ground. I wanted to see if it would take watermedia. It could. But man, it's rough on the brush. Still on Stillman Delta. Didn't make much of it because it's so rough. I'll do it up later on with pastel work.


Daniel Smith watercolor




The next one is done on Stillman Alpha 100 lb 9x12 inch hardbound sketchbook.


I coated the right with Cretacolor Chunky Charcoal and the left with black pan pastel and treated it too with rubbing alcohol. Failure. The powder is still actively mixing with the paint. Maimeri gouache on the right and Daniel Smith watercolor on the left.




The next one is done on Classic Cachet black sketchbook 70 lb 5x7 inch with left over Golden Crackle paste.


Daniel Smith watercolor


I love how iridescent watercolor work on these slightly greyed grounds.


Adrift in snow




The next one is on Classic Cachet 100 lb 5x7 inch beige sketchbook. I slathered it with Chinese sumi ink.


It is so perfect a surface. In the first round, I messed up a design and so I wiped it with a moist towel of all the iridescent colors and the sumi ink stayed put.


This is truly a watercolor technique of lifting the Titanium buff watercolor from Daniel Smith.





And the most successful piece of all here is Raffine 110 lb 6x6 inch with 2 layers of Liquitex Basic acrylic black tube paint.


Daniel Smith watercolor


In real life, there is deep blue and red and the lights glitter all over the piece and so does the reflection.





The conclusion again is that if you need to do watermedia, use heavier paper. Anything less than 100 lb curls and warp.

Most ideal colorant is acrylic. Any abrasive ground you use, it's better for pastels or acrylic.

Watercolor sinks into the ground and become less vibrant unless you use a lot of paint. At that point, you are better off with gouache. Irisdescent is always good to use on black.
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Hi Sandra. . . . beautiful bottles!

You experiments with color and media are always so fun to see. That bridge piece is very cool, wish it showed all sparkly like you describe as that sounds awesome! Lovely scene.

I was doing a little experiment yesterday with using watercolors on Epsilon as I really wish it would work better than it does. But just cannot get the same effect since the brushstrokes really show as water doesn't see to sink in much. Oh, well. Like you, gotta try!
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Have you tried the black Stonehenge paper?

Once more, I am in awe of your boldly trying everything. Thanks for sharing all your experiments.
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Rainy, thanks for comments. Yeah, Epsilon is not ideal for watercolor work. Stick with Delta for that.

This one is just plain Holbein White Gouache on a page of sumi ink on Stillman Epsilon. I now remember why I didn't use sumi ink for background. You can't do draft with white color pencil on it. It just wouldn't mark. And if you could mark it, erasing it is a problem.

For a while, I've been wondering if it's easier to paint white lines and patches on black paper like the peacock on the right or paint black lines on white paper and then fill in the background with black. I suppose using black lines is slightly easier especially because there is no white ink that could be dispensed out there in a dip pen or fountain pen format and I have to rely on the smallest Chinese brush I have. But there is so much to explore using a black surface. There's something exciting when the painting come together doing negative painting.

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Love looking at all the experiments you're doing here, Sandra! The last page with the white on black pieces is really striking.
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Sandra, I like your negative painting a lot! Working light on dark is a whole different way of thinking. I love the way you filled in the negative space around the peacock with white. I also really like the figures in the canoe. That piece has great atmosphere and harmony!

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Great ideas you are working with. The white on black is quite dramatic.
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Thank you, John, Debby, Jamie, for your comments. I'm going to buy some Deleter manga white ink to experiment more later this month. Debby, I didn't know Stonehenge came out with black paper. I also just learnt there is Arches Black watercolor paper too. So these are definitely in the horizon for purchases.

This is for the Watermedia December 2011 Challenge. They wanted a Christmas theme and since I'm not into sending Christmas cards or celebrating Christmas much, this is the closest I could think of Christmas.

I should have just used watercolor all the way, not remembering I have already acquired the skills to do snow hills from my watercolor class. Habits are hard to change. Took a grey stick of oil pastel to do mountain patches for resist and it took more work to cover it.


Yasumoto Pearlescent watercolor for the birds
Daniel Smith watercolor for the background

Stillman & Birn Beta Whitel 180 lb 9x12 inch sketchbook - Thanks to Michael for sending me some big ones this week to try out. It's such a pleasure to have a white surface for watercolor compared to Delta. Thank you, thank you.


Now that I have used Arches 140 lb for 5 weeks, this Beta, Delta paper is not that bad. I mopped up a few areas with a wet brush a few times at the bird area in the same spot and it didn't pill. But that's because the pearlescents are not staining. I'll keep a tab on how aggressively I could lift from Beta and Delta in future now that I'm into watercolor.





I wasn't sure about using black penwork to accentuate the swans so used photoshop for now. Perhaps I should try some medium blue pen work. Any suggestions?




Here's posterization.


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