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Old 03-10-2003, 08:54 AM
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Post 9H-9B Pencil Set Gradation Grid Reference

Hi all,

I just bought myself a Derwent 24 pencil set which as y'all know has 20 tones in all .... 9H down to 9B. My lecturer said to do it so i would realise the potential of them and practice increasing tonal sensitivity etc..... so i made a lil grid pattern showing the lightest to darkest i could get each pencil with a single direction of hatches (eg just the 1 diagonal). I think i'll find this very useful as a reference in future and will prolly print a copy to take with me in my sketchpad etc. So any noobs like me just starting.... get a good range of pencils like this and DO THE GRID... seriously it may seem boring at first but its very cool once you get the hang of doing it properly and will help y'all heaps.

And also, I'm trying to convince a major NON noob.. resident genius Axl to get herself a set of 9h-9b pencils as she's done soo amazingly so far with only a few from 2b-8b ( i think) and she could go astronomical with the greater range of tone possible with these.

Here it is.... keeping in mind that some of the lighter tones didnt' come out too well but i managed to get the lighest shade to barely be noticeable on teh paper.. there are no actual plain white boxes..... but i got really damn close!

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Old 03-10-2003, 09:03 AM
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This is helpful, thank you!

I was wondering if anyone else uses a Ebony pencil and where it falls on this grid?? I know its dark, but is it darker than the 9B?? I actually like my ebony but don't hear many people talk about it so was curious!

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Old 03-10-2003, 09:14 AM
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Hi SierraHD

I can't answer that question myself, sorry as i dont know what an ebony pencil is lol. Ideally if u have the time it woudln't hurt to grab all of your drawing mediums pencils charcoal etc and do one bigass collection of them all on one page for easy reference... you really need to see each medium to as some might technically be the same grade but look completely different etc. You might wanna spray it with fixative too so it doesn't smudge but more importantly to get an accurate idea of how the tones will end up looking after u fix ur works..rather than just while your drawing if that makes sense? Hope someone can answer your question.
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What a great idea! This is very helpful! I have just started fooling with graphite (portraits) as a bit of a break from my usual coloured pencil work...grpahite works very differently from cp and I am not at all familiar with it in any kind of serious way. It's taking me some time to get to know my pencils, but I know a grid like this will be a huge help. I just recently bought myself all the pencils between 5H - 6B...and want to buy the rest! Thanks for this idea
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Nice job on the grid!! I'm sure it will come in handy for your graphite work When you were making this up, did you apply varied pressure with each pencil to achieve the different values? If you did, then you would be leaving impressions on your paper in the area that you applied hard pressure to get your values, leaving an impression that would show up when shading over it. I prefer to use layers of graphite to achieve the different values. That way I don't have to apply hard pressure to the paper.


This is what I use for my graphite and charcoal work. I picked this up at a local art supply store for about $5.00 Canadian. I use it to determine my values when using black and white photo references. It works well for me

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Sierra I love my EBONY!!! Nice silky dark darks - but I only use it for that - the darks never draw a whole pic with it - and it falls down to the 9b or so as its used - i don't know how it rates exactly.


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Sierra I love my EBONY!!! Nice silky dark darks - but I only use it for that - the darks never draw a whole pic with it - and it falls down to the 9b or so as its used - i don't know how it rates exactly.


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Exactly... my Ebony is the last pencil I use on my work... If I have the ebony in hand I am almost done. I just go back and darken my darkest w/ it, seems to give it that final touch. You are so right, I was trying to think how to decribe what it was I liked about it, I think you decribed it well.... "silky dark darks".
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Lissa... glad this has helped u somehow... i've said your recent graphite portrait... ur kickass already without any grid lol

Artdude, i think i remember reading a demo thing u did for drawing.. thanks for that.... and good comment..... true i should do another with the same pressure as well as i what i have now... i did want to see how scratchy and deep i could get with pressure for this first one though cause i didnt' know the real difference between teh grades and wanted to feel them out if u see. So good point, i'll prolly do another one later and looking into getting that value thingy.. looks sweet. thanks.

WHAT THE HELL IS AN EBONY PENCIL?


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WHAT THE HELL IS AN EBONY PENCIL?

LOL Petdevils!!! Well its a pencil that usually comes in its own package of just one or two. Made by "Design" ! It says "Ebony jet black extra smooth" on it. Thats all I can tell ya, not real sure how I got my first one, can't remember if it was a gift or required for art in high school, but I do know I have been using them since then. If ya manage to find one where you are, and try it out, let me know what you think about it!

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