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Old 07-21-2010, 10:17 AM
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The Echinecian Journey

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Title: The Echinecian Jou
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Medium: Oil
Surface: Canvas
Dimension: 8X10
Allow digital alterations?: Yes!

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This is done from the color photograph. The saturated color was wanted. So there was a struggle between the clients desire and my artistic nature.

I used some black in this which is not my wont to do either.

I want to tell my self I am through with it, but I have a sneaking suspicion that I probably am not...

MY QUESTIONS FOR THE GROUP:
Is it bright enough?

has adapting the image to a different dimension of format harmed its compositional aspects? That is...does it look enough the same as the photo to not cause consteRNation in the photographers eye? The beautiful upward thrust of the image in the photo is lost because the painting format is not as tall. So that sense of movement is lost.

Have I 'killed' it by going too tightly into the flower petals and their interstices?
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:03 AM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

I love it! I do feel however that the petals need to be more pink, some light pink and much darker pinks. The one pointing toward the top of my right corner has the closest color to echinecia. On my monitor a lot of the petals on the other flowers are leaning more towards purple. Mostly the ones on the top left. I feel you caught the look of the centers to a T!!!
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:06 AM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

Good feeling in this one, Corby
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Have I 'killed' it by going too tightly into the flower petals and their interstices?
I don't think so.
I think that you'd feel more "finished" if you step back and just think about the time of day and type of sky overhead.
I'm guessing that it's slightly overcast and its around noon, with the light coming from high on the viewer's left.
Getting the lights and darks consistent with that setting will pull it together for you, I think.
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

I wonder if you want the eye to go to the brightest flower which is the flower to the right of the butterfly first. I would like to see the butterfly be the center of interest and then the flowers will follow. I have the impression that the eye will seek out the brightest thing first and then travel from there. As to the change in format, I guess you have limited the space for the butterfly to go to, but I don't really feel that it is of great importance. And I don't think that you have gone to tight with the flower petals.
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

lovely pic corby the petals look fine
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Old 07-21-2010, 01:20 PM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

nice one Corby!

of comp, if you figure you've lost some height and want it back, i think all you have to do is accentuate a few of the stems a bit more, make them as tall as you possibly can ... skinny up the width of the poof of petals a bit more (bedraggle them somewhat), and maybe get rid of the 2nd from the bottom blossom to open up that space a bit more ...

or, the client has the photo already right, let the painting be

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Old 07-21-2010, 01:28 PM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

Looks like Echinacea pallida, or the Pale Purple Coneflower. Their petals are paler than on the Echinacea purpurea, Purple Coneflower. Very excellent. I like how you did the background, too.
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:19 PM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

My monitor is showing a medium value where the middle of the flower meets the petals. Maybe, and I say it with reserve, if you darkened that area on each flower with aliz crimson, ultramarine blue and possibly an umber and drag it upward a tad it would make them pop?????
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:29 AM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

It is a lovely journey for the butterflies and bees-they love the Ech. Ref. looks like it was taken after a rainfall? lush green- Lovely piece mr.c The BG is so so nicely done also.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:55 AM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

Hi BIS! Thank you for the nice comment. It is a garden setting and they keep it well watered. Plus which the high color is pretty much the way of glossy film.

brushoff That is an extremely helpful color recommendation, thank you, I will put it to use.

ahughes Thanks for the added info. I like knowing what I paint. Knowing of Echinecia, I didn't look it up. Your comment moves me to do so!

Hi LA! Thanks for the good observation! I would have done many things differently here, but the client took the picture and wanted it pretty much as is...I have already taken liberties that may get me in trouble!

Andy, thank you, I appreciate your tender visual sensibilities oh subtle painter of birds.

Hi Phil! good points you make, yes I would prefer that the butterfly be the center of interest. I would have done it more so if I could have rearranged things to my liking, but the client did a nice job taking the photo and wished it to be maintained pretty much as is. The butterfly has a lot of competition color wise with those flowers!

Bill Yes! Exactly what was needed! I am always harping about light flow but got so sidetracked with other issues that I plumb forgot! Thank you.

Bellaskye! Yes I want to avoid the purple, thanks for pointing that out! It pretty much resulted from wanting to push those flowers to the background and visually push the butterfly at us...
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

thx for that corby lol my next pic is a red squirrel
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Old 07-22-2010, 05:45 PM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

Thought I share this pic, hope you don't mind.


This was taken in the late morning today - size reduced.(even tho it was sunny). Living in the city is a drag- I am renting a plot for gardening, it's hard work but it is rewarding. There is a huge section with Echinecian and various flowers- for the bees and butterflies to pollinate the veggies. Watching them buzzing around these flowers is a treat.

Your client will be very proud to receive your lovely piece.
Happy summer all.
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:35 PM
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

I got late to this thread. Usually I try to critique the painting but in this case, I would just like to say that I'm impressed with the comprehensive and thoughtful critiques which have already been posted. This is how the forum should work. It's sure helped me a lot.
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

Corby I think you have done a wonderful job with this. However... I am thinking that since you leaned the petal color towards the lavender side (at least on my monitor anyway) That the back ground would serve the flowers better were it warmed up some with some lighter yellows. Then the darker stems would come foreward. Now the stems almost appear as if they are part of the background to me. I love the background the way it is but think the color would better serve pinker hues in the petals... well that's my two cents for what it is worth.. Some good comments above as well.
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Re: The Echinecian Journey

Corby, It's a lively painting. The petals might need to be darker and more mutted where they connected to the center cone. They look sharp at that end.
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