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View Poll Results: What is your "dream-career" as a professional artist?
To make my living exhibiting at art fairs year-round... 2 1.34%
To make my living by licensing my imagery for commercial use... 5 3.36%
To be a 'commercial artist': illustrator, graphic designer, or from commissions... 7 4.70%
To make my living by exhibiting my work at several commercial galleries... 26 17.45%
To operate a gallery or galleries showing my work and that of other artists... 10 6.71%
To be known for my original work, able to live and work anywhere in the world... 99 66.44%
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:44 PM
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oOO This is fun! ^_^ I choose #5. I love consulting, helping other artists and if I could support myself with my art to the point that I could have a gallery with other artists' work I would be absolutely ecstatic! Crataegus, you have it just right. Though I would have to change the location a little closer to home.
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Now that I am 50, I have a little hindsight. I wish that I had gone to college and became an art teacher. Then I could be doing SOMETHING about art all day, and anything that had to do with studying art would also be furthering my career. Plus, I would have all those teacher benefits: sick pay, vacation time, retirement, etc. I am self employed and have none of that. The day I quit working will be the day the money stops coming in, and it is scary.

Anyway, if I were a teacher, I guess I would be teaching jr. high or high school. I remember my jr. high art teacher. She would set up a project (still life or something like that), turn on the radio softly, and everyone would draw. She would sit in the back at her desk and work on her own art. The students would all relax and chat. Even the bad kids enjoyed it, so she did not have any discipline problems. I remember the kids would talk about all the naughty things they did over the weekend. The goody-two-shoes like me would listen. The teacher never commented on the shenanigans she heard.

Anyway, with money coming in, retirement taken care of, students under control, and still being in an artistic environment all day, I could paint when I got home at night, and work on selling in galleries.

Larry Seilior is an art teacher, and he takes his students on plein air excursions.

My daughter is artistic, and this is what I BEG her to do, but she thinks I am trying to live my life through her. So she wants to do "something else".

The reason I choose this as opposed to commercial art, is that, in an office, you never have a stable job, and you only have benefits as long as you work there. Teachers tend to stay teachers forever.

Now some comments about your other choices:

Art fairs are a LOT of work: packing and unpacking and schlepping every weekend. You never get time off the same time as everyone else. You will not have time for your spouse and children if you insist on making your living this way.

Licensing is a good idea. Kinkade does that. But many people here on WC talk about people stealing their images anyway. Plus, if your niche is successful, there will be copycats. Lots of people besides Kinkade paint cutsy cottages. I am not saying it's a TOTALLY bad idea, but it's hard to make your sole living that way. Plus, how are you going to pay the bills until you get THAT good? That's like saying, "I want to be a hit songwriter". It takes a long time to get to the top.

Commercial artist: Norman Rockwell did it. I just don't prefer it because of the office environment. I have been in lots of offices, and they can be quite back-stabbing. I don't think it's a bad idea though. If I KNEW I would be successful at it, that would be great. Bill Wray is a professional illustrator, at least that is what I gather from his website. And he sells in galleries too.

Making a living at galleries. That would be cool: just paint all day, hang them in the galleries, and watch the money roll in. I would like that best of all. But people are just not buying right now. Galleries are struggling. I just signed up with a local artist, and her work is stunning, which is why I chose her. But she supplements by teaching on the side. Another gallery artist I know supplements by owning her own gallery, selling frames, and teaching oil painting in the back of the shop. Her work is very good. People are just not flocking to their local galleries like they are flocking to their local electronic store. I am 50, and I have to be realistic.

Wow, to be known for my original work and be able to work anywhere in the world. That would be wonderful. I guess that would be my ultimate dream. But how many people can be superstars? I need to think about the practicality of the whole thing. Larry Seilor said it took him 17 years before he was good enough that he could quit his teaching job. I need to pay the bills and raise kids in the meantime.

Good luck with whatever you do!

(Currently, my BIG dream is to paint as well as my teacher, and get in a gallery. Oh yes, and get blue ribbons in the county fair this year.)
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Wow, to be known for my original work and be able to work anywhere in the world. That would be wonderful. I guess that would be my ultimate dream. But how many people can be superstars? I need to think about the practicality of the whole thing. Larry Seilor said it took him 17 years before he was good enough that he could quit his teaching job. I need to pay the bills and raise kids in the meantime.


Carolyn,
Surprisingly, you don't need to be a superstar to do this. It's more about publicity and moving through the right circles/gallery circuits. There are galleries all over the world that show international artists in preference to home-grown.

It can also be done by using art fairs and shows around the world, in fact often the buyers believe because it's international it has to be better than the equivalent home-grown, a trap you have just fallen into yourself. If I had the language skills I'd have done this myself years ago. This also helps you get international gallery representation.

You can start now anyway, why not take your vacation to a city where there is an art fair on.....Paris, Rome, Barcelona, Mexico, London, Dublin, etc..
You may not make a huge amount of profit, but you can live the dream while hubby and kids gallivant around a new city.....and you never know, you may make a profit on the vacation.
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Creating and selling art no matter where I live sounds great to me.
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Carolyn, .....and you never know, you may make a profit on the vacation.

Vacation? Sounds like a (tax deduction) business trip to me!

If I have to choose only one poll option I'd have to go with #6. I'm working towards #6 through a combination of 1,2, and 4.
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You need an "Other" option. I am already living wherever I want to in the world. I would like to quit my day job and paint full-time, but how I do that I am really flexible about. Maybe galleries, maybe online, maybe word of mouth, maybe fairs.... probably a combination of some sort.
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I think the point was your "dream" career...which is probably why so many of us choose #6.

Realistically a career in art requires a creative approach usually including a wide variety of work. I take commissions, sell in galleries, sell on my own, take design work, stage houses, house sit and do the occasional office side job:-)

But my dream is to have a Gallery in Westport probably, selling artists I like as well as my own work. I'd have some one else running the place and my huge big studio would be in the back. I'd have a summer house in Maine (also with a big studio) and spend the rest of the year in CT. I've actually drawn up designs for both places:-)
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You need an "Other" option. I am already living wherever I want to in the world. I would like to quit my day job and paint full-time, but how I do that I am really flexible about. Maybe galleries, maybe online, maybe word of mouth, maybe fairs.... probably a combination of some sort.

I gave the poll quite a bit of thought before I uploaded this, and I still don't think an "other" category is necessary.

Most of the artists I know (and I know quite a few) who exhibit at art fairs are scared. They're getting older, and they don't want to be travelling to do 40, 45 or more shows a year.

The poll is about ultimate goals, the place where all of your current efforts (whatever they are) are supposed to lead...
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You don't have a "Rule the art world" option, therefore, I cannot honestly answer.
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Re: Ultimate goals...

Boy, that was a easy one.............I really just wanna sell enough work to make a few Million and retire to a tropical Island.

............am I asking too much????
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Boy, that was a easy one.............I really just wanna sell enough work to make a few Million and retire to a tropical Island.

............am I asking too much????

It worked for M. Paul Gauguin.....so why not? Mind you he made his millions a little too late to enjoy them
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another omission - none of the options includes "having Greg Long's studio".

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another omission - none of the options includes "having Greg Long's studio".

Tina.
Your new studio isn't looking too bad Tina... mind you with the studio now in the back garden the studio cost savings are great.
Apart from the fact that I'm just back from Barcelona today, (Those bluddy hills!! ) my studio awaits for tomorrow...I've fed the fish though. .
I have just organised another trip back to Catalunya for early may, but I'm not going to walk all the way up to Park Guell again, my calves are killing me! I'm hoping to take some paint and canvas on the next trip. This one was too short to paint on again, but I'm busy with my fish at the moment anyway.
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Re: Ultimate goals...

I choose #6, too....

I haven't been traveling much for a long time (your idea for art fairs around the world is great, Greg!), but I've been able to live (and paint) in some pretty great places. And I keep finding out that I'm better known for my original work (and my teaching) than I think, locally, anyway. I guess I'm further along toward this than I might have thought.... Now, to expand to the wider world!

Thanks for starting this thread, Keith!

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my goal at the moment.. is to become the most masterful painter on the planet
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