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Old 12-20-2008, 11:24 PM
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What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...



I never really was one to severely restrict my palette, but some basic color mixing of three paints wound up mimicking the hues of a many of my standard colors. The 3 paints were Primary Yellow, Primary Red Magenta, and Primary Cyan (Maimeri Brera Acrylics).

Below are closer looks at the paints and the name of the tubed color to which it could be akin:


Primary Yellow is straight from the tube. The yellow-green would be akin to Phthalo Yellow Green, only more transparent.


The secondary green: Phthalo Green Yellow Shade
Blue Green: Phthalo Green Blue Shade


Primary Cyan straight from the tube. By the time I finished the color wheel, I realized I skipped Turquoise and Middle Blue. The turquoise looks like Phthalo Turquoise, which is just Phthalo Blue + Phthalo Green BS. The middle blue could mimic a deep cobalt blue to a more Prussian Blue hue. If I would have added less Primary Magenta, I could've come out with a more Ultramarine blue hue.


Blue Violet: A deeper Dioxazine purple?
Violet: Ultramarine Violet. Maybe even a deep Cobalt Violet hue.
Red Violet: Quinacridone Magenta or Thio Violet.


Primary Magenta straight from the tube. With a 1/3 as much Primary Yellow, a middle red similar to Naphthol Red Light was accomplished.


Red Orange (bottom left) - Perinone Orange.
Secondary Orange: Benzimida Orange
Yellow Orange: Indian Yellow / Gamboge.

One limitation of this palette for me would be lack of opacity in any of the paints, especially on the left side of the paradigm. While one can get Cad Red / Orange / Yellow hues, none of them will be opaque enough. Still, for those that paint in mostly transparent colors, there are tremendous possibilities with this 3-paint palette.
For those that use it, you could even throw Ivory Black into the mix as a greying agent and achive more!
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Old 12-21-2008, 01:09 AM
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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

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Old 12-21-2008, 02:16 AM
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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

And finally, a small sampling of what happens if you mix all three together:



Mixing all three in varying proportions gives Raw Sienna and what looks like a form of Carmine.



On the left is what resembles a color I use in every painting, Quinacridone Orange (AKA Quinacridone Maroon). On the right, we have a hue of Burnt Sienna or even Transparent Oxide Red.



I honestly can't discern what brown the first one looks like. The second one definitely reminds me of Raw Umber.




I've used Payne's Grey before which is what the second swatch resembles. As for the first, the only black that I can vouch for is Ivory Black. I don't use Mars, Bone, etc, but it certainly looks like pretty much a black black.

Again, every color you see in these images came from mixing the three primaries. Who knows, maybe I'll start a series of paintings using just these three colors for a while.

A more thorough section on the many greens possible with these 3 paints will added to my webpage in the near future. This is actually a pretty fun exercise!

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Another example, the work of Mark H. Brown, whose gorgeous still life paintings are reputed to be done with a palette of only four or five colours.

A famous example:
http://flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2357077769/

The painting on the wall is one of a series by Chuck Close, painted using CMYK sequentially. Other views here:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ck_Close_1.jpg

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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

I have been painting in the three primaries in watercolor, but would love to remember which Seattle area artist first told me about the magic three that don't make mud!

Daniel Smith new gamboge
Winsor & Newton Antwerp blue
Winsor & Newton Permanent rose

All three in almost equal proportions make a great mars violet color

One example:
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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

A well-known painter in my area, Mel Leipzig also paints using only 3 pigments (plus black and white, I believe),in acrylic and works from life exclusively as well.
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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

I only work with Raw Umber, sap green, yellow oxide, blue, red, and white. Sometimes I'll pull black out but seldom. I can make any tone I want with these. The umber is just to move things along quicker.
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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

Very interesting. I would imagine having the black and ivory would yield numerous other colors...

You've given me an idea for an art journal page.
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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

I have been practicing with three colors plus black & white, I like the results.
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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

Why people invented about 1000 limited palettes? Because no one is good enough!
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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

I use 3 primaries, but I have to say that from my experience it has slight negatives too.

If I want to paint very high chroma colors, like say a kid's bouncy ball. I need a pigment color.

The mixing takes longer with primaries and each time you are subject to more mistakes, especially when using complements to lower chroma, it is much much easier to just use a low chroma earth paint.

Black..you need black if you want a dark dark black. I don't care what people say that you can get a black out of primaries, I can't. I can get a very very dark color yes, but put it against a mars black and I can see I'm nowhere near with my primaries.

If you can deal with all of those issues, I think 3 primaries are awesome.

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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

But, Goldee, Mars Black isn`t a dark possible black. Alizarin Crimson mixed with Phthalo Green PG7 beat it. Not a primaries but widely used paints. And Indanthrene Blue cam make black as deep as possible.

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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

Don't know.

Well, the assumption is that you don't have a pigment green with 3 primaries so phthalo green is out.

This is the best I could do with my primaries:

It is "sort of" black, but I can still spot too many pigments in there for it to be a true black for me. I can get a really good grey though because the titanium white knocks out all color. But the black just doesn't seem right to me. Maybe it's just in my head.

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Re: What 3 "Primary" paints can achieve...

I guess you have lovely primaries for CMY. However, Cad yellow is a best choise from yellow pigments but it is too opaque to mix deep black. We need a transparent primary yellow for that mixing. This is not an easy task to find it!

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