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Old 02-21-2008, 02:33 PM
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The bowl's edge

I am looking for a procedure for painting the edge of a bowl or jug, particularly when there's a rim with thickness to it. I know how to draw an ellipse---it's when I start painting that I wind up with a mess. Where do I start and how do I use the brush to keep from getting thicker and thicker edges. Help please!! Judy W
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Re: The bowl's edge

Judy, whenever I am painting something that requires a thin edge or a line, I paint it in with a fairly large brush ("large" being relative to the size of the edge and the size of the painting)...larger than instinct would tell you, anyway, and then my secret is to *adjust the surroundings*.

It doesn't matter if I'm painting wet into wet or wet over dry. I don't worry about getting it exact at the first strokes because I will need both soft and hard edges, anyway, which are easiest to produce when you work on the adjoining areas concurrently.

I don't know if that's the best explanation ever or makes much visual sense, so let me try to detail it out.

If I were painting a bowl, I would first block all of the general shapes in, not trying to be super accurate. Then I'd swear up and down that I would work on it again the next day, but in reality I probably wouldn't get to it again for another week and so it would be dry, which is fine. When I go to correct the details (after I've washed the hardened paint out of my brushes, of course), I would take my filbert (I use filberts for darn near everything) and make a *swooshing* motion along the edge of the bowl area, holding my brush with a stiff wrist so that my whole arm is moving. I would try to get it as close as I could, of course, but in all likelihood it would be too thick or perhaps the block-in would be showing because it wasn't all that accurate.

Then I would take the adjacent color of the table or the inside of the bowl or what have you (or some color close to it--when necessary, I can mix in a little something else into the wet paint on the canvas to get an exact match) and I would "clean up" the edge (using the adjacent colors) so that it is the proper thickness/shape. At that point, it might be a fairly hard edge and I would then wipe my brush off and lightly blend just where I want the soft edges to be (blending just the edge where the objects meet, not the whole brushstroke) if the soft edges haven't occurred naturally with the wet paint in the first place (I don't do much blending really, if hardly at all).

The joy of oils is that you can go over an area again...and again...and again...until you have it as you'd like. If you end up building thicker paint on the canvas than you'd like and it's getting difficult to control, it's a simple matter of scraping what you have off gently with a palette knife and continuing onward.

I don't know if you were able to follow along with all that and visualize it. I was just painting a sugar bowl this week (you can see it in the February paint-a-long at the top of the forum) and the handles were giving me the fits, but I finally got them...generally accurate.

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Hi Judy, I recently did several bowls/plates etc as daily paintings - you can take a look at them here and maybe get some ideas:

http://lamgallery.com/aceo.htm

There were a few things that consistently helped me with painting them. First of all was to continually check the painting in a mirror. What looks great from one angle can look completely distorted when flipped, and I can't tell you how many paintings I've seen with beautiful highlights and completely distorted shapes. I'm not immune to this syndrome either.

Secondly, get a good highlight on the rim... and this highlight might not be exactly where you think it should be - if the rim is thick, the highlight might be on the inner or outer edge of the rim rather than on top.

For the paintings on the link, I was painting miniature so I was using a very small brush - the smallest you can buy at the stores - and I had to work and rework until the ellipse looked ok.

Are you doing this painting from life? If not, I would suggest doing a few from life just to get the feel of how the highlights fall on the rim.

Good luck,

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I am looking for a procedure for painting the edge of a bowl or jug, particularly when there's a rim with thickness to it. I know how to draw an ellipse---it's when I start painting that I wind up with a mess. Where do I start and how do I use the brush to keep from getting thicker and thicker edges. Help please!! Judy W

Hello Dear

Use a quill pen or birds feather just to do thin edges.

Dip the quill into the paint and paint as you would using a pen.

Any good?
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Re: The bowl's edge

I will try all these suggestions. Linda, yours look great. Did you have any particular order to how you did them? Do you start from the top and work down? I'm not sure if I should get all the layers in and then shade each from light to dark, and or shade each one first?? Judy
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Hi Judy, thanks!

These were done in one or 2 sittings, mostly alla prima (i.e., I got most of the work done, but some of the details I left until dry) but I got the general colors of the area down first, and made sure the shape and the ellipse was correct.

Once the basic shades were down, I'd go back and strengthen the lights and darks. At the very end I'd go in and add the whites and black to the most intense value areas, but very sparingly.

Most of these took a lot of trial and error and patience to get them looking right. Also going back to the mirror trick every couple brush strokes.

Good luck! Post yours when you're done.

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Old 02-23-2008, 05:10 AM
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Re: The bowl's edge

I tried the suggestions and had some better luck. I think there's something I'm missing though, everyone else seems to be able to do it--I wonder where I can get a quill or feather, too. Any ideas anyone? Is there any other tool to make a thin line with oil paint?? Judy
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I just stock up on the smallest brushes available, and buy them frequently when they lose their point.

The other thing I've done is used colored pencils to actually draw in details - it works fine as long as you're just doing it for a line or two.

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Old 02-24-2008, 05:42 AM
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Re: The bowl's edge

I'll have to start looking for dead birds, although actually, I do realize I have a source. My neighbor has chickens!

What brushes have you found last well? That's another problem I have--I feel my brushes die on me too quickly.

Thanks for the feedback. Judy
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