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Old 12-30-2007, 01:11 PM
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Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

I just got back from my best customer's house, and saw that on a few of the pieces...but not all...that I did for him 2 years ago, have wax bloom..terrible.

I spray all of my pieces 3 times. I think the difference must be in the brand. Of course, I can't remember what I used when, I did his pieces over a period of months.

Anyone with pieces that developed wax bloom after spraying?
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Old 12-30-2007, 02:23 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

Yes. The only thing you can do is take the picture apart, rub with a soft cloth, and then reframe them. It is very frustrating.

But your work is so good, that I can't see how the piece would dare develop wax bloom.
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Old 12-30-2007, 02:50 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

Ha, ha!!! Thanks, Midge, you are so sweet!! What's scary is that I have more than a hundred commissions all over the country, I hate to think that they are wax blooming! I have pieces here that I won't part with that are 5 years old and they aren't blooming. I know I used Krylon uv on them.

Underneath the bloom, the colors were fine, they hadn't faded at all, btw, and one of them we took out of the frame because he wanted me to fix something that wasn't quite right.

So the bloom is the only issue. If I figure it out, I'm going to email all my "old" customers and offer to clean/respray them.
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Old 12-30-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

maybe a silly question.

But what is 'wax blooming"
and what can be the reason?

Is it the same as oil paint 'cracking'
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

I use Prismacolor Final Fixative (Matte) and have had good results so far. Have not experieced any additional wax bloom after spraying even after a couple of years. I have one piece I did in 2004 and it is still good.

dhara: Wax Bloom is a milky white haze that appears on the surface when you use wax based pencils such as Prismacolor especially in a heavy layer such as burnishing. It is mainly noticable on darker colors. Time and temperatures cause the wax in the layers of pencil you have applied to rise to the surface of the drawing and form a haze. You can use fixative to correct this during and at the end of the drawing, and you will notice that the haze disapears once you spray with the fixative and let dry. Oil based pencils do not produce this wax bloom.
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Old 12-30-2007, 04:40 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

Robin, I couldn't believe you posted a thread with the word "Help" in it! All kidding aside...do you spray with workable fixative during the work, then spray with permanent fixative (laquer) when it is finished? It is hard to believe after 3 layers that there would be wax bloom.

Are all Prismacolors wax based? I'll have to check to see if mine says wax or oil based. I have not seen Prismacolor matte fixative, but I will have to look for it.

Thanks for the education about wax bloom, Ittybit. Thanks for sharing your problem with us, Robin, so that we all can learn how to avoid it, too.

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Old 12-30-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

Oh, Char, we are all here to help each other, I hope!!

Yes, Prismas are wax based, and I burnish everything. What was funny was that not all of them "bloomed" even though they were done within weeks of each other. (I've done portraits of every dog this fellow has ever had, including the 2 I just finished, bring the total to 9!)

I don't remember if I sprayed workable fixative in between. I don't often. I do recall that around that time, I tried some of the fixatives folks here suggested, because there was criticism of krylon at the time. Maybe it was one of those experiments. But I think maybe I'll switch to the prismacolor one, maybe since it's made by prismas, it will work best?
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

Robin, it seems like your problem might have been more with the fixative than with wax bloom. From what I've read, under certain conditions uv coatings can cause a "milky" or "hazy" appearance that could look like wax bloom.

I usually spray between layers with workable fixative to set the pigment and refresh the surface for further work, but I give the finished drawing only a light spray, if any.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:29 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

hmm if i read this i might get some better fixating stuff as well.

I use just simple hairspray to fixate parts of my drawing during my work process. I do not fixate at the end.
Sounds like not such a good idea to use hairspray since i do not know what it does with the wax.

Although the drawings 'smells' very nice
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:30 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

A friend of mine had trouble with wax bloom. The culprits were the reds from prismacolor. She had sprayed hers at least three times. She had to take it out of the frame to respray. so far the bloom has not returned but she really resprayed it a number of times.
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:58 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

Thanks everyone...I actually removed one of them from the frame. It's definitely wax bloom, I rubbed it right off. It was all over. But again, it was only a few of the ones I did. I always burnish, I'm sure that makes it more likely to bloom. I didn't use red on any of them, but did use a lot of the reddish browns.
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

Question -- do those of you who use drafting film spray those pieces?

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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

I was wondering about spraying film, too - and would the spray change any film areas left bare?

Robin, thanks for starting this thread - and glad you were able to fix the bloom! - did you find any fading in your pieces?

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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

I always spray my portraits with workable fixative when finished, and sometimes, in between layers. After hearing that I should be using permanent fixative, I have used that on my last couple of portraits. (I'm going to buy some Prismacolor fixative, too). I am going to try the drafting film soon, so I would be interested in the answer to Linda and Holly's question about spraying film.

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Old 01-01-2008, 01:52 PM
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Re: Help!! SERIOUS wax bloom issue!!

If one wanted to test their pencils for propensity to bloom, do you think it could be done by making dense swatches and then putting the sheets in a warm oven for a few hours?

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