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Old 08-08-2007, 03:05 AM
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Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

I would like to get some input from painters who have used both Viridian and Phthalo Green as to the differences. I have a number of tubes of Phthalo green... and Yellow shade version. I hate the stuff but sometimes it's needed. I would like to try Viridian instead but if there is not much difference then I'll pass.... it's also twice the price

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Old 08-08-2007, 09:41 AM
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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

Personally I could almost pass on Viridian now (for oils at least).. as it is (as Helen Van Wyk also mentioned) 'duller and greyer' compared to the Pthalo Green. (& dull/grey greens are pretty easy to mix) ..And the Pthalo is very lightfast as well.
Perhaps it wouldn't matter so much for some representational works, and I'd imagine many landscape painters might even prefer Viridian because it IS a tad duller and slightly less 'synthetic' looking (though many of them probably would even just leave them BOTH off the palette entirely and mix their own greens..) But for those times, say for some of my more 'contemporary' work where I actually wanted a bright intense 'GREEN' green?.. I had a lot of trouble with the viridian mixes.. trying to 'liven' it up... But the Pthalo (I only use the cool one) did the trick easily everytime. And IS much cheaper too! ;O)

Some people have trouble with the Pthalos.. because they are so intense, and can fairly overwhelm mixes if you're not careful.. and they can give problems with staining in watercolours as well (In that medium.. I could see a good Viridian actually being fairly useful for it's overall look) But you just have to be careful and remember that 'a little goes a long ways'.. That makes the Pthalos, (Blue & green) compared to the cobalts and viridians.. all the more economical.
..Also a good idea for those painters just starting out ''on a budget'.. to keep in mind. (Forget those 'student paints'!)
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:27 AM
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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

yep...Paul is accurate about this, at least for me...

Viridian is phtalo green on valium...

I have used and find not much problem using Phthalo Green or Phthalo Blue, but you use so little and have to keep it under control.

I'd be leary recommending the phthalos to beginners...

Viridian gives just enough variation, and I like the warmth and note of life it gives to skies.

French Ultramarine Blue...Naples Yellow...white, and a touch of viridan! Yah baby...that's what I'm talking about right there!!
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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

I have both and don't like either one. When I work with green, I either mix my own (black&yellow) or use Sap Green or Green Oxide. Sap is a nice transparent green; Oxide is opaque. I like to use Gamblin's Asphaultum to darken my green mixtures. It is a really rich transparent brown that doesn't muddy up when mixed with the greens. I do like Grumbacher's Thalo yellow green for highlights, but it is pretty strong and a little goes a long ways. When my thalo green and veridian are gone, they will never return to my paint box--too artificial--too bright for my taste. So there's my opinion, for what it's worth.
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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

Viridian is definitely a nice pigment in a lot of mixes.
Though I probably would rarely ever use it straight for much of anything.. I'll likely always keep a tube in my box. (I imagine I'll have that tube for quite a good while too then!..)

One thing you may want to try (& should try!) to get to the REAL 'nitty-gritty' of which one you may like better? - Make some Richard Schmid type colour-charts based off both of those pigments.. and how they mix with your other main colors. (and remember to ease off the amount of Pthalo as compared to the Viridian in those mixes!) ...That will give you a REAL 'cross the board' idea of which pigment your going to prefer overall.
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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

I use viridian and various reds (eg alizarin crimson) to mix blacks of various shades... and the subsequent blacks with titanium white to produce grays. works well. I don't really use viridian or phthalo green for its own color... but I keep the viridian around and at hand on the palette.
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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

Thanks everyone,

Good input.... it's time to ditch the Phthalo Green (redundant) I used it mostly for greening Ultramarine but I have put Cad Lemon on my palette which does almost the same thing and as Viridian has no real advantage over it I wont bother with that either.

So that gets me down to five colours on the palette...... I don't paint many traffic lights so I shouldn't miss it

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So that gets me down to five colours on the palette...... I don't paint many traffic lights so I shouldn't miss it
Traffic lights use Phthalo Green Blue Shade I'm pretty sure

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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

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Traffic lights use Phthalo Green Blue Shade I'm pretty sure

There's a joke there somewhere

What does S... H... O... P spell?
What does C... R... O... P spell?
What does F... L... O... P spell?

What do you do when you get to a green light?

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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

Hi Mike:
What are the five colors on your palette?
You mentioned Cad lemon and ultramarine. What are the other 3? Just curious and still learning.
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Re: Viridian vs Phthalo Green?

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Hi Mike:
What are the five colors on your palette?
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Hello Brian...

Cad Lemon
Cad Orange
Permanent Rose
Burnt Sienna
Ultramarine Blue

I am still experimenting with my palette but these colours seem to mix everything I want with good opacity and chroma..... apart from trafic lights

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