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Old 06-23-2007, 11:10 AM
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Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

I need your expert advice since I'm new to OPs. DB has a 20% discount going on and I can get the Holbein 15 stick set or Specialist 25 stick set.
I live in Florida and the Senneliers may be too soft and the Neopastels the odor concerns me.
I'd be blending with no solvents as I cannot stand the odors.
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

Donn, I would vote for the Holbeins as they are very good quality and soft enough for blending but also can be used for scumbling. I use both Sennelier and Holbein Artist OPs and they are both excellent. I have just taken advantage of the Dick Blick 20% off sale myself to order some Neopastels and some Cray-Pas Specialists as I have never tried these. I note that on the Blick site they consider the Specialists to be student quality, whereas the company considers them to be their professional OPs. I did read an old posting about the Neopastels having an odour, but I gather that it dissipated after they were left out in fresh air for awhile. I hope so, because I'm sensitive to odours too. Jane
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

Thanks, Jane. I'm leaning that way too. Your input is appreciated.
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

i have a few of each, and one thing to consider is that the Specialists are firmer than the Holbeins. that might be something to consider in the Florida heat. they are also physically fatter than the Holbeins (both are squared).

the Specialists also name the pigments on the wrapper, which is nice. but then, the Holbeins are pretty awesome, too. they're made in Japan by a company that's said to be fanatical about color and quality.
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

Thanks, Lamar. Are the Specialists as easy to blend as the Holbeins without any solvents?
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

My vote is for the Holbeins as they are true artist quality and should be fine in Florida. You could pick up some sigle sticks of the others to see how they work for you.

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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

Thanks, Pat. Since I like to work on small paper (6 x 9 and less), the smaller sticks make sense too. Just wish the open stock on them wasn't so expensive! Jerry's is the only one that I see that carries them and they want an arm and a leg for s/h! If anyone else carries open stock, please let me know.
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

Have you looked at Dakota Pastels for open stock? Angela
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Yes, but they want a $25 minimum order!
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

On the Holbien OPs are there any indication on the individual sticks to tell you what color or number they are?
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

Donn, previously the individual Holbein OPs came "bare" without any packaging or labelling. That may still be true in sets. Last fall individual sticks became available here, at least, packaged in plastic with the name and numerical code on the package. At that point, Holbein reduced the value range for the individual pastel colours from 5 to 3. Apparently the complete set will still contain 5 values for each colour. It's hard to know if you order individual Holbeins on-line whether you will get the new packaging or not, perhaps depending on the age of the stock. It might be worth a call to Blick's to find out. Jane
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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

Thanks, Jane. I sure would seem hard to reorder individual sticks if you didn't know the color number! Yikes. I just may have to go with the Specialists since they are wrapped and have a number on them. Maybe if I was more familiar with Holbein OPs it would be different. Maybe not.
I'll email DB and ask them. Unfortunately they don't sell Holbein on open stock. But will ask them about the 15 color set.
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I do know that jerry's has open stock on all their pastels, plus color charts next to the color. You might check them out. www.jerrysartarama.com

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Re: Holbein vs CrayPas Specialist

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Are the Specialists as easy to blend as the Holbeins without any solvents?

in my limited experience (i have a sampler of five Holbein sticks), i'd have to say no. the Holbeins are firm, but pretty luscious, too. i would say that the Specialists are waxier-feeling than the Holbeins.
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in my limited experience (i have a sampler of five Holbein sticks), i'd have to say no. the Holbeins are firm, but pretty luscious, too. i would say that the Specialists are waxier-feeling than the Holbeins.

I think I found a way to ID them. I went to their website and downloaded their catalog. On page 14 is this box of 225 sticks all color identified and number identified. It should be easy to match a color stick to the color. I printed the page on photo paper and it looks like it might do the trick, or you could match the colors on the computer screen.
http://www.hobein.com .
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