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Old 04-30-2007, 11:07 PM
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Pen and ink and wash

Where can I find tutorials on this technique? I find it fascinating. It seems like the pen and ink is done first and then the wash. I just got a set of rapidograph pens and know little about them. Is that ink permanent and unaffected by the wash? Thanks, Kay
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Re: Pen and ink and wash

You can check out the Pen & Ink forum to see what they have. Claudia Nice has out a few books on the subject & I have dabbled with it a little bit. You can do the ink before the wash, after the wash,or some of both. The ink I use in my rapidographs is permanent & unaffected by the wash. It is always a good idea to test first.
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Old 05-01-2007, 03:44 AM
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Re: Pen and ink and wash

Is the ink in the pen (so it is a disposable pen)? Or is it Rapidograph brand, by Koh-i-nor? Some people say rapidograph and mean that style, not the actual brand.

Did you get the set that comes with Ultradraw ink? The ultradraw ink is very nice. It's waterproof and acid-free, so you can use it to your hearts content with watercolor. It's also a little thinner than Koh-i-nor Universal ink so it won't clog your pens. (in my experience, the Universal ink isn't all that "universal")

The order (paint or ink first) doesn't matter as far as the permanence goes. Pigments that are bigger particles will cover your ink lines a bit and make them look like they are "behind" the paint. Which they are, so you'd expect that. Some pigments won't do that.

Think of the cadmiums. They will cover your pen line a bit. (People call them "opaque" but technically, all pigments are opaque. shh, don't tell the watercolor painters. They don't believe this. I can email you the refractive indices if you want that demonstrate they are all too "thick" to be transparent. But I digress...)

Then think of, say, Ultramarine blue. It's particles are smaller and disperse better, so they don't cover up the line the way the cadmiums (and all earth pigments) will.

I don't have a lot of painting experience, but a good way to figure out what is "transparent" and what is "opaque" is to follow JJ's clear directions :
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Get a piece of watercolour paper and a black waterproof marker pen, the felt tip kind.

Draw a black line on the paper about a 1/4 inch wide and then paint a sample of each of your colours over the back line.

The colours that "sit" on top of the black line are opaque, and the colours you can see the black line through are transparent.

Look at the threads started by artyboon. She did a WIP on ink and wash as well as posting a nice comparison in the gallery of an ink+wash next to the same painting all in watercolor. There was also this one with a few ink+watercolor works of hers. There may be others, too.

I'm sure they'll be a nice start and if you don't find them helpful, well, at least you get to look at her delightful work!
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Re: Pen and ink and wash

I use Edding 1800 pens which have waterproof fadeproof pigmented ink an 0.1 mm size. I often do a pencil sketch, add watercolour then sharpen it up with an ink line.

Click on my signature picture for examples.

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Re: Pen and ink and wash

Have a look at what I posted a time ago
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show...83#post5568083
Also
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327365
And
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show...35#post5243235
finally
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show...56#post5161256

Then practice and post your results even if they are just doodles, because this stuff is great for doodles!!!

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Re: Pen and ink and wash

Thank you for all the wonderful advice and links. Wet Canvas has so much to offer aspiring artists. I keep telling my classmates about it. Some come and explore, others haven't yet. Their loss. Happy Tuesday everyone.
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Kay --- One more idea that I learned about recently in a sketching workshop with Kath Macaulay, in Arizona ---> try the Pilot Razor Point pen, (the silvery one with the yellow cap, #SW-10PP), in black. It is not waterproof, and when you rub along the line with a wet brush, you get a nice wash effect. Here's an example:


Just a few lines, but it shows what that ubiquitous cheapo pen can do. Once you run along a line with water and "water it in" so to speak, it is more or less waterproof and you can come back in and finish the pic with regular watercolors. If you don't, as you can see, you get a bluish wash, which you can work into many colors. Takes a bit of experimentation, but it's fun.

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Try it! Enjoy.

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Re: Pen and ink and wash

very nice, jan. I like that effect!
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Re: Pen and ink and wash

Thanks, Lorraine, but I have to give the credit to the workshop instructor Kath Macaulay, who introduced us to this magic pen. I admit I got carried away with the technique and (over)used it for the rest of the road trip. More examples here: http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Jan7777/

If you carry one of those water brushes (http://www.dickblick.com/zz051/33/) along with the Pilot Razor Point, you're set to go anywhere and sketch (with added ink wash) anything.

My advice: try it! You can pratically find that pen in the grocery store, it's so common. Get the sparkle silver one with the yellow cap. (The other colors don't work as well as the black.)

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Has anyone tried the Pilot G2 Gel Pens for drawing? I love them for writing and they do seem to have a nice feel--haven't tried them yet on w/c paper...
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Re: Pen and ink and wash

Yes, I love gel pens, they flow so easily. Unfortunately the ones I tried are not waterproof, but for quick sketches I like them.

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G2 are archival, and I think water proof
Lawrence could you please try them out and report to us...


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Re: Pen and ink and wash

Neeman:

I'll put it on to the "to do" list (which is getting longer and longer lately ). However, there's a small little sketch I have in mind....
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Re: Pen and ink and wash

Well, I ended up making something bigger than "a little sketch". It's in the June 2007 Invitation to Paint
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Re: Pen and ink and wash

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Just a few lines, but it shows what that ubiquitous cheapo pen can do. Once you run along a line with water and "water it in" so to speak, it is more or less waterproof and you can come back in and finish the pic with regular watercolors. If you don't, as you can see, you get a bluish wash, which you can work into many colors. Takes a bit of experimentation, but it's fun.

Try it! Enjoy.

Jan

Jan - I used a pen that I didn't realise wasn't waterproof until I put the water on it - mind you the effect wasn't that bad after I had mopped a lot of it up - apart from the tower.....a happy accident I think.



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