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Old 09-11-2006, 07:17 PM
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what are your supports for Gouache?

I am just starting with gouache. I have plenty of cold-pressed paper and a couple of blocks of hot-pressed. What are the other choices? Do you prime water color paper with anything or use, as is? I wouldn't mind trying board. Is plywood good, or only Masonite and other pressed boards and how do you prepare them?
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

For me, the best results come on a paper surface that's only slightly absorbant. Use the paper as is, no priming necessary. Hot pressed 100% rag works well. Quality illustration board can be hard to find sometimes. Strathmore 4-5 ply works well. On occasion, I've made my own illustration board by gluing sheets of quality paper together, or gluing to museum board. Multimedia Artboard makes a paper I've just started using that's made with epoxy resin and it holds up well.

I've never bothered to try it on wood. I don't think there's any benefit there. If I were, I'd want it only slightly absorbant - maybe 1-2 coats of acrylic primer. I'd guess that real gesso would be too absorbant. Harboards (Masonite) are often tempered with oil, so unless sized and primed properly, I'd stay away from them.
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

I think textured clayboard would be a good choice too. Another option might be to glue the paper to ampersand hardboard, either by dry mounting it or using an acrylic medium. Or those artboards for small works- www.art-boards.com
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

The sizing on most watercolor paper is just about perfect for gouache. It does not need to be primed. I like 140 lb watercolor paper in blocks, both hot and cold pressed. For me the ultimate support is 300 lb hot pressed watercolor paper. For just doodling and experimenting, Strathmore Bristol board has a nice surface.

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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

Sometimes I give a coat of acrylic primer to my watercolor paper, but I also like gouache on unprimed paper.

Richard, I never thought to use Strathmore bristol! I'll have to give that a whirl. BTW, there is inexpensive Strathmore bristol in series 300 and 400, but they also have a 100% rag content bristol in their 500 series. It is available in 2-5 ply, if I remember correctly. I think I have some around here somewhere....'Will have to pull it out for my next gouache venture!

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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

A thought occured to about using paper. I know many artists like to employ an affect that watercolorists use for white areas by just letting the paper show through, which is reasonable. A problem I've seen in older works is the paper often changes color as it ages. I remember one illustrator's painting I saw made in the 60s and the paper had changed to a sort of salmon pink. He'd painted out an edge of the tree line in white, which at the time must have blended nicely with the white paper, but now stuck out as a big patch of white paint. On the other hand, I've seen some papers over a hundred years old that look rather bright. It's hard to tell how they may change.
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

Thanks for the info. My gouache set just arrived and I am dying to dive in!
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

I always liked Illustration board like this: http://www.dickblick.com/zz134/08/
or http://www.dickblick.com/zz133/05/
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

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...A problem I've seen in older works is the paper often changes color as it ages...
Good quality pH neutral 100% cotton paper should not do that. Paper made from wood pulp will eventually change color, even if it is "acid free." I pretty much stick to Arches, Fabriano, Lanaquarelle, and Kilimanjaro (Cheap Joe's) for serious stuff, and cheaper wood pulp paper for doodling.

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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

I work mainly on rice paper. I love the texture from the fibers and bleed the gouache into the paper from the backside to give it color, enhance the fibers, and give some body to the rice paper. Otherwise, it's like painting on kleenex!

I've also use illustration board, Strathmore white drawing paper, and those cheap brown instutional paper towels. Obviously, I experiment a lot. Gouache is a wonderful paint - such rich vibrant colors and that velvety finish contrast perfectly with the gold and silver gouache I use as highlights.
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

I use Ampersand supports for gouache, both textured claybord, and pastelbord, the latter when I want to use watersoluable pencils or crayons with the gouache. In either case, I spray the final product with Krylon, so I can frame without glass. Works great! Especially for pleinaire. I had called the Ampersand company advice line to make sure it was archival.
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

I've also tried Ampersand boards, and like pastelbord the best. Gessobord makes the paint slide around a lot and lifts really easily.

Canson pastel paper is nice because it's toned, but it buckles a lot.

Overall, I like illo board the best.

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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

My preference is illustration board, although I may do a little experimenting one of these days.
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

What is the difference between hot pressed and cold pressed?
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Re: what are your supports for Gouache?

Hot pressed papers are smooth surfaces, little to no grain/texture.

Cold pressed papers are rougher surfaces, grainy to a lot of grain/texture.

That's the easy answer.
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