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02-15-2002, 11:32 AM
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Bj,
Hi...I'm Julie (jsr88). I have the book "Painting the Head in Oil" you referred to. If you'll let me exactly what you are looking for, I'll see if I can find the info you.
julie
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02-15-2002, 11:58 AM
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Julie,
Thank you for responding to my question.Below is what I have from my notes on Sanden's Pallett. What I'm looking for is the information on the recipe of the Pro Mix colors. My orginal Portrait teacher said that the recipe was in his first book. She had had the book, but loaned it to a student years ago and never got the book back.
Bj
Sanden's Palette
Weber plus & assortment of Pro Mix colors
Permelba white (by Weber)
Cad Orange
Yellow Ochre ChromiumVerde Green
Burnt Sienna
Viridian
Burnt Umber
Cerulean Blue
Venetian Red
Ult Blue
Aliz Crim
Ivory Black
Cad Red Light
Plus ten Pro Mix colors
Mixtures:
Caucasian Skin: White, Yellow Orche, Cad Red Light, plus a touch of cerulean Blue
Black Skin: Viridian Red, Cad Orange, and Burnt Sienna for the middle tones combined with cool highlights and warm tones.
Oriental Skin: White, Yellow Orche, Burnt Umber, plus a touch of blue.
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02-15-2002, 12:01 PM
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Ron,
Thank you for the book information. Any ideas on where a good place to find out of print books?
Bj
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02-15-2002, 12:07 PM
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BJ,
My email addy is jsr88@starband.net
Please send me a quick post so I have yours to send the info to you. 
julie
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Even though we live in an enormous world, for me, it's the little things that mean the most…things like love, friendship, living the Golden Rule, and being able to be myself.
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02-15-2002, 12:25 PM
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formulas for the human skin is diletantism
You must get beyond a formula for human skin colors..it's OK as a starting point but geewiz how uncool can you get? The human skin is one of the most changeable and varied surfaces of color that you can find..observe and paint what you see. 
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02-15-2002, 12:34 PM
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Mario,
I agree that it is a good starting point and a learning point to see what others use and have used. Then from there you have to mix colors from looking at the skin of the subject and mixing to match.
Bj
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02-15-2002, 02:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bonnie Jean
Ron,
Thank you for the book information. Any ideas on where a good place to find out of print books?
Bj
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I noticed that amazon.com they said they would do a search. If you type "Eric Hebborn"+"the art forgers handbook" into google it will take you to a few sites that apparently offer second hand copies.
btw, my copy is not for sale: not only does it provide valuable info on forgery, it is really great on some old techniques.
All I can say, thred very, very carefully. It is a highly controversial book. As was Hebborn.
Ron
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02-15-2002, 02:29 PM
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skin colours
Ok there is no formula for skin colour, but in the old days when I still did realism, I did an underpainting with greens (the complementary) and also darkened skin colours with it. Made it a bit more vibrant.
Ron
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03-05-2002, 09:18 PM
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Re: skin colours
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Originally posted by Ron van den Boogaard
Ok there is no formula for skin colour, but in the old days when I still did realism, I did an underpainting with greens (the complementary) and also darkened skin colours with it. Made it a bit more vibrant.
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This makes excellent human skin:
monotone under painting-violet is good
terre verde over dried monotone
lead white mixed with genuine vermillion
a transparent yellow for accent last
Done correctly, these are all the colors you need.
The trick is to use the underpainted green to make your flesh go neutral. It's like magic.
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03-06-2002, 02:15 PM
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SOUNDS INTERESTING
Could you show us an example of this? please 
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03-06-2002, 06:33 PM
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What!
Be careful there Mario ….. your treading on dangerous waters. Asking about terre verde, green underpaintings, vermilion (genuine to boot). Could it be that someone can actually do something impressive with this method. No it can’t be, why that would classify them up there with what the old goats used to do. God forbid! 
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03-06-2002, 06:55 PM
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Re: SOUNDS INTERESTING
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Originally posted by Mario
Could you show us an example of this? please
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Sure, I have a digital camera. I need someone to tell me step by step how to post a photo.
You guys seem a little skeptical.
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03-08-2002, 08:19 AM
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Scott wrote: "This makes excellent human skin:
monotone under painting-violet is good
terre verde over dried monotone
lead white mixed with genuine vermillion
a transparent yellow for accent last
Done correctly, these are all the colors you need.
The trick is to use the underpainted green to make your flesh go neutral. It's
like magic."
This is identical to my palette. If you use this combo you cannot miss. Here's one in progress, nearly done painted with that palette. Looking forward to seeing one of your paintings, Scott.
Just use the browse feature below and open your image file and presto, we'll all be able to see your work.
Renee
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03-08-2002, 08:22 AM
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Sorry, the message posted twice.
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03-08-2002, 11:23 AM
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Ok, here goes my first attempt...
I am going to try and post 4 photos. This is a painting in progress and I have some old pics I can use to illustrate the green flesh technique. The painting is 40 inches tall and 60 inches wide. I hope the colors look alright. There are a few figures that are green in this first one.
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