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Old 05-16-2000, 03:04 AM
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Same situation here, wanted to add the "caution" icon..but looks like I can not add it now. Will surely use it in the future. Sorry I'm not able to use it with this post. After seeing Cindy's beautiful "Embrace" in the critique section, she has caused me to think about posting a couple drawings that are similar in theme.
This is a graphite/colored pencil drawing.., somewhat stylized, and I was interested in the different structure of male and female anatomy. It is not a realistic drawing and obviously the figures of each are less that "ideal". I found the structure of the man's face to be very interesting, his "solid" construction in contrast to the softer lines of the woman. The drawing itself is expressive, I was interested in developing volume with line and even color. (Thank you again Cindy..I hope to see more of your more sensual work.


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{{{m}}},

I've been getting a pretty strong reaction to my piece in the forum and in the chat. WC may not be the appropriate venue for this kind of work after all, I'm afraid.

I have deleted my post from the forum.


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I keep returning to your drawing, m because it evokes many feelings and ideas. I have printed it out and I will write you an email re my rxns...

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p.s. maybe you and I and some people from your group (like ladybliss, mklanglo etc) could get together our own email crit forum specifically for this type of work? We could advertise it on our sites and get a group going...


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Old 05-16-2000, 10:46 AM
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((cindy))...ohoh..maybe you are right. You know how much I love Wetcanvas and all the other connected sites, the LAST thing I want to do is offend anyone....or.....get black listed. (lol) Scott, Phyllis, Rod, Larry..(to name a few involved with the site and its contents) can email me regarding the above drawing. I will say, that at art school, it was not uncommon to have male and female models pose together, draped and undraped.
I feel the above drawing is, (as I mentioned) pretty much a study in contrasting forms - male/female. I will wait a day or so, to see what the "general" reaction is. I do recall someone mentioning that it would be ok to post nude figures, "as long as it is not erotic". I will be careful to stay within the site guidelines (that is important to me), but everyone's attitudes towards the nude figure (and multiple nude figures) may vary. I don't see this drawing to be in any way OVERLY....sensual. The classical painting "The Rape of the Sabine Women" seems to me to be much more controversial, and many allegorical paintings (involving the nude figure) have, I'm sure, raised some eyebrows.
Cindy, your suggestion for those of us who are interested in working with the figure, couples, or multiple-figure themes sounds good. I KNOW Ldybiss would be interested.
Well, here is my email for anyone with thoughts about this drawing. Scott, Phyllis, Rod..your thoughts are important to me, so feel free to email me ok. Sketch47@hotmail.com
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Cindy,
I don't remember any negative reactions in the forum. Did I miss something? Are the censors raising their ugly voices???
I personally don't feel the work you had posted was over the line at all! I like the above piece too!



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Old 05-18-2000, 12:38 AM
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Well, after all the silliness (also on my part!), I decided to go ahead and post my response to this drawing online afterall.

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What I enjoy the most about Michael's drawings is that I am always surprised. His work always makes me think twice, brings up strong feelings and invites contemplation.

In this piece in particular, my initial reaction was surprise followed by pleasure. At first I was surprised to see a middle aged couple in an erotic drawing. Then I thought, how cool - older, pot bellied, receding hairline and all they have the same sexual feelings as the next couple!

Then after more than a few additional viewings (I like to view art repeatedly over a period of time to contemplate my reactions), I noticed that the woman looked almost frightened (and somehow trusting at the same time) while the man looks kind of angry (but also tender at the same time). !!!! How??? Interesting anyway.

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Old 05-18-2000, 09:23 AM
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cindy a little about this drawing. I "borrowed" a photo. The drawing is quite a bit different than the photo. The man's face was just unusual, and I further emphasized that. My main focus in doing this drawing was just to explore line and color in the development of anatomical shapes. Often, I am just intrigued by the geometry of multiple figure compositions. The activity of the people involved may or may not be a reason to do a drawing or painting. The interplay or geometry of forms and shapes is simply much more interesting with multiple figures.
Just had a thought...I didn't think AT ALL about the ages of the two people. I found YOUR comments interesting!!

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Michael..Guess i just appreciate art.. period!
Very intriguing figure forms..I tend to agree with Cindy, makes me think, evokes feelings - seems sensual to me and nonoffensive.( That's what art is all about to me!) After just attending my first figure drawing experience in years..at an open studio for artists (no critique or instruction..just the luxury of working from a model in a huge space!)I must say it really got me excited about drawing the human form again..It is such a challenge!
I was engrossed in working out the lines and form and translating them to my paper..Shows how life experience alters us..as years ago in art college i took the experience so much for granted..I finally feel the joy and see the value of drawing to learn and grow!
I will post my effort as soon as i can get my film printed..alas still in the dark ages with technology!
Anyway just a longwinded way of me saying.. I enjoy and appreciate your postings!...cheers, mae
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Mae - thank you very much for your comments regarding this drawing. I'm happy to hear that you are back in the "open" studio I can relate to your enthusiasm. I'm looking foreward to seeing your postings!!
I enjoyed walking around the room, during model breaks..viewing everyone's work..was so interesting to me. Thanks for the kind words. (I have to be careful, I go off on tangents (this usually follows periods of little sleep) in some of my posts. I have to remember in the future, that some members may not have ANY interest in some of these long winded posts. I can sure ramble at times..gotta be more careful in the future.
Will be looking for your new work Mae..seems like you also have a passion for the figure.
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Well first of all let me say good work with that sketch Mike, yes Cindy I do agree with your thoughts. Negative backlash and censorship of work. It bothers me once again to think artists will be censored by our fellow artists, much less that we as a group are "joined at the hip", so to speak. I feel art can never be pornography as the Supreme Court stated a ruling that porn is photos or film created for the unadulterated purpose to provoke a sexual response. I feel if artwork is censored, then in time so will all the Kincades (sp.), Nabokafs, Paul Simons of the art world. Art can be in itself one of the greatest dichotomies, pure and tainted, beautiful and repulsive, I am sure you get my drift.

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Michael,
I am very impressed with your drawing style -I like the way you get colour into your sketches. They are a work of art in themselves. Do you usually follow them up with a painting? If so what medium's do you use?
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Old 05-26-2000, 08:13 AM
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Hi Mayet Ankh - I would LIKE to follow more of my sketches with paintings, but I think I do this with only about 25-30% of them. The medium I like most is oil paint, the drawing mediums are easier...quicker. I love pastel also, but have not used it much for quite a while. Thank you Mayet Ankh for your nice comments. Michael

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