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Old 01-17-2006, 06:14 PM
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I just tried to remove the paper on a Sennelier pastel stick and it literally exploded in my hand into a thousand crumbs. Why o'why do they have to put paper on those pastels - I think it's to raise our blood pressure! If you purchase a new set of pastel, you spend more time taking the paper off than you do painting! It's frustrating! Sennelier is especially bad! Mr. 'Good Guy', if you're on line, please take the paper off your new square pastels - you make a truly good pastel, but the paper has to go!

What can we, as a major 'pastel information source', do to convince the manufacturers to delete the paper sleeve - it will same them money and lower our blood pressure!
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Old 01-17-2006, 06:31 PM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

Ahhhh, another victim of Sennelier's exploding pastels! I remember it well! I doubt they'll take your suggestion to heart...being the ultra traditionalists that they are. I agree tho....if you're going to GLUE the wrappers on there and make it nigh impossible to get them off without ruinging the pastel, just skip the whole thing!

I ordered a bunch of Senneliers when I first started out with pastels, thinking they were the epitome of "good". After spending an afternoon destroying them in an effort to remove the wrappers, I made up my mind never to buy another Sennelier as long as I lived. I later relented enough to buy a set of half stick, but only because those come nekkid with no wrappers.
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Old 01-17-2006, 06:49 PM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

Oh Sooz, you sound just like me. I still have some senneliers and I cringe whenever I have to peel knowing the darlings are going to crumble to bits. So glad I'm trading in for Great American Artworks. At least if they break, it's clean and no crumbled and wasted pastel. Senneliers always made me feel like money was flushing down the drain as the pastels crumbled away to dust. lol.
Bluefish, I urge you to trade in for another brand as you need to replace. It is not so frustrating and loosing a perfectly good stick.
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Old 01-17-2006, 06:56 PM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

I love satuated bright colors and that and only that reason is why I purchased them - BUT I'm getting sick and tired of them breaking into small pieces/dust! I just wish GA would make a set of 'pure pigment' colors! Sennelier pastels are fragile at best, but when they glue the sleeves on, it's almost impossible to utilize the stick you paid dearly for!

If they don't stop with the sleeves, they will have lost a good customer - I'll start buying 'sleeveless only'!
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:12 PM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

Blue, They do. Great American makes a color wheel set and 2 sizes of Assorted. Go to Cheap Joes and view the larger image of those sets. Best pics I've seen of what the sets have inside. Also, check out Art Spectrums. harder than senneliers but, I really like them and the colors are really vibrant.
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Old 01-21-2006, 08:02 AM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

Hello Blue.....Yep....I thought it was only me....I just had that same problem a few days ago....the paper sleeves on Senn. pastels drive me nuts and I aint...repeat aint gonna buy em no moe...he..he..he.

Diane....do you really like Art Spectrum Pastels??? they are so hard...I think they are even harder then Rembrandts....Glad I just got a small 15 stick set to play with....don't think I'm gonna buy anymore of these either.

I would do ANYTHING for a set of Great Americans however being I'm a poor boy I'll have to stick with my W/N and Alphacolor pastels....Art
PS...thanks for tip about Cheap Joes....I've never been there.
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:04 AM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

Artie, the sticks I bought of the Art Spectrums have been really fun, easy to work with, easy to blend and vivid. Love them. Maybe you got ahold of a set that was bad. I've had Rembrandts and find they are comparable in soft or hard and abit more vivid.
If you really want some Great Americans, go to Jerry's Artarama and get a few open stock sticks. They are the cheapest for the open stock that I found. Get your more used colors and pick up a few sticks.
I totally agree about Senneliers - aint gonna buy no mo.
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:14 AM
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Hi,

Sorry to be the party pooper (I guess that's what one says there ?) but I really like the 80 half set of the Sennelier. I've never bought the whole sticks, but I guess that 2 halfs of the 80 set make bigger than a whole regular stick.
I also like Schminke alot. Those even come out of the sleeves by themselves when they brake, sometimes.

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Old 01-21-2006, 10:20 AM
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Jose
You are not a party pooper. I found the halves to be better. they are fatter and shorter so harder to crumble. But, if you want colors other than what's in the half sticks you get yanked.
I have heard Schminke is a great brand of pastels. Good colors and very creamy.
I've gotten some Great americans that were not whole but, it was a clean break. Not crumbled into peices. So, they are sturdier. I think Great americans are probably closer to Schmenke but, I haven't tried all the brands so what do I know??
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:25 AM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

Course, I guess we could crush, dampen, & reform each Senn. we buy.
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:28 AM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

Kate, how true! Now if I could just figure out how to make a good refurbished pastel. It seems so complicated.
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:37 AM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

Hi Diane and Jose'....Yes Diane...I think I'll drive to Jerry's in Hartford soon and get some open stock of GA....its at least a 2.5 hour drive from here.
Jose'.....I never tried the Senn half stick sets....so I dont really know...getting the paper off of the full sticks is ridiculous...using no pressure at all...they just crumble and break.....I'm really dying to try GA.
I have two small sets of Schminke's.....half stick sets...they are incredible soft and beautiful....Albert Handell describes them as "Dust on a Butterflies Wings"...and they are. Dakota's website softness scale rates them as Number 1---the very softest you can get......Thanks...Art
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:49 AM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

A long time ago I bought the sennelier half stick set and most of them were useable but many of them were very rough and wouldn't spread color. Then I tried buying their whole set which I had found on ebay for $500 for all the colors and I though that was a great deal. They crumbled so bad though that I eventually sold what was left of that set and decided to never buy sennelier again, except their very dark greens.
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Old 01-21-2006, 11:03 AM
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Oh Shari - you reminded me of how I got my Senneliers. I got them on ebay. Half were dried out and all crumbled so bad. It was awful. My first set was from Jerry's - a small one. They were crumbly too. But, the ones from ebay were wrapped and never opened. But, dried out....
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Old 01-21-2006, 11:04 AM
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Re: Paper on Pastels

ok i just looked up the cheap joes site for the pics of GA's- first of all, jerrys artarama has the same 78 pc sets for 174.99 ( joe's is 193.99)
second, i'm not sure about the north american landscape set- it looks a little bright....I'm looking for the 78 pc ANIMAL set- saw it once in an art mag ad, can't find the mag now, and haven't heard or seen anymore about it since...

Anyone????
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