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09-18-2005, 08:53 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
Hi all! I'm here subscribing to the thread. Won't promise to work on this one since all of my promises lately have been empty ones.  But I'll be back if I have anything to post. Otherwise I'll just read along silently.
Good class Troy!
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09-18-2005, 09:01 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
Hiya Stacy! Somehow I lost track of the house on the far right of your sig and never saw the finished result. can you link me to that thread when you get a chance?
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09-18-2005, 09:10 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
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CJ you can use the vest for your metal drawing also, so anytime you're ready!!
Sults, on a serious note, I apologize for the absence of demos. I just didn't have time to do them, but I'd hoped the writeup was in depth enough to offset that.  Please don't shoot me with your magic bullet!
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It's not too late, you know. I'm not sure that just saying "you can do it" is enough for us . . . we need in-depth instruction, including visual aids. or something like that
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09-18-2005, 09:20 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
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It's not too late, you know. I'm not sure that just saying "you can do it" is enough for us . . . we need in-depth instruction, including visual aids. or something like that
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Hmm, well I would have hoped that you would have gotten more than "you can do it" out of the class that I wrote. I guess I missed the mark there. Please bear in mind that I am trying to make up for 100 hours of work that I lost while out of town, and am still trying to catch up with people individually regarding the last class. I will see what I can put together though. 
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09-18-2005, 10:04 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
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Hmm, well I would have hoped that you would have gotten more than "you can do it" out of the class that I wrote. I guess I missed the mark there. Please bear in mind that I am trying to make up for 100 hours of work that I lost while out of town, and am still trying to catch up with people individually regarding the last class. I will see what I can put together though. 
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Troy, put on your sense of humor and come play with us.  I didn't mean for you to take it seriously . . . just teasing. Your instructions are very good and I'm sure we'll do fine . . . but torturing the teacher is a requirement, you know!  When and if you have time, visual aids would be nice, but critique of the drawings will work, too.
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09-18-2005, 10:18 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
CJ- You are such a she  ! LOL
(though tis fun to tease the teach ha-ha)
I think a year ago a lot of us (at least me) were clueless. I think we do not always need demo's. Time to take all that JayD has taught us and let's step out of the box.
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09-18-2005, 10:41 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
Well, Judi and some others know that my philosophy on demos is that I would rather encourage students to take my guidance in the form of writing and theory, and find their own way without being given a specific path in the form of demos. That's not to say that demos have no value in my opinion, because they do, but only when necessary. The pen and ink lesson in the future, for instance, will feature a lot of demos, because a lot of you have never even tried that medium. But for this lesson, I find demos frankly unnecessary, because the principles and techniques involved are essentially the same as covered in lessons 23 and 24.
Having said that, though, I DID consider including demos here just for the sake of doing so, and I discussed with Judi the fact that I felt it might benefit the class more to force you guys to kind of sink or swim without the aid of demos. Considering my time issues, I opted for sink or swim. Why? Because you guys are talented enough that you should be able to read my explanations above and put that to work in practice and produce fantastic results.
I don't want to shake things up too much by changing the way things are done in this class, but I'm still adjusting so bear with me and we'll find the right balance here. The issue of demos is just an area where Jay and I differ in our approach. Just as with class 26 though, I am certainly open to suggestions at any time from students, so if the majority of you guys want demos with the lessons, then demos there shall be! I'll let you guys decide that issue. In the meantime, I will use my judgment and include demos when I think them needed. (I will still see about putting stuff together for this lesson, CJ, but it's not gonna happen tonight!! I drew for about 10 hours today and I am DONE!)
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09-18-2005, 10:54 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
Thank you Troy, the write up is very clear, but I, will remind you for the pen & ink class, because I am one of the one's that have no idea, except to use it for writing. 
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09-18-2005, 11:58 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
What did you draw for 10 hours today, Troy?
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09-19-2005, 12:40 AM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
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What did you draw for 10 hours today, Troy?
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A monkey rowing a boat. I mean, since YOU aren't going to...
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09-19-2005, 07:10 AM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
(inserts Hands On Hips  ) & says to Teach --- Blthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Don't you know I am visual person, I need DEMOS!!!!
LOL, j/k
Oh you did not answer my other question Teach, Do we post our work completed or a WIP?
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09-19-2005, 09:01 AM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
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A monkey rowing a boat. I mean, since YOU aren't going to...
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Sorry - - you gave me a choice and I chose to put a life vest on a dog . . . so your monkey will have to row the boat!!! 
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09-19-2005, 09:31 AM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
sults if you want to post a wip, I'm sure the others could benefit from that. It is not required, though.
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09-19-2005, 01:28 PM
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Re: Basic 101: Class 27
Troy, I didn't like my pics of yesterday because I didn't set them up as still lifes. I just set up one and am satisfied with the pic. but if I finish it, are you including rusted metal in this project?
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