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Old 04-07-2005, 01:10 PM
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Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Just to let you know, and to keep a promise to myself...

....am about to begin a new work and am documenting from start to finish. At some point I'll post pics as the progress is made, and then the finished piece.

I am soon off to the copy shop and will at least get a canvas prepared and the image transferred before I show anything at all.

I'll begin it with the photo images that are the very 'beginnings'.

Will be using the clay-coated paper this time.

Am not absolutely certain on canvas size yet....somewhere between 10 and 16 inches square likely. Would prefer the latter.

Wish me luck, okay?

Yeah....I know you do.

Oh! And don't hold your breath. But I will get there eventually.
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Old 04-07-2005, 03:15 PM
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Karen, I'm sure a lot of us will be anxiously waiting and I particulary need to see how it is done, because I can't seem to get it with a paper copy.
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Old 04-07-2005, 04:30 PM
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Karen, I am here with bells, whistles, huge support blankies, and more

Waiting patiently!!!!
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Old 04-07-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Yeah....' p.a.t.i.e.n.t.' 's the word.

Still haven't made it to the copy store, but all ready to go in a short while.

Chose a 16" square canvas and am just waiting to put the second coat of medium on it.

Thanks to both of you for the good thoughts.
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:16 PM
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

A little glitch, but fixed:

Opened and used the clay-coated paper today for the first time. The smooth glossiness of it, at first, makes it seem impervious to water. Since this is going to be applied after the transfer's affixed, hopefully it won't be a problem. Well, I know some of you have already used it...so am not really anticipating that.

Using the self-service photocopier, I was waiting with bated breath to see the first copy roll out. A little shocking at first, because the ink appeared to be very thick, waxy, pebbly. Very uneven.

Have attached an image from a 'wasted' copy and although it is not terribly clear because of the dark colour, perhaps you can get an idea of what I mean. There are several white areas in this image but the one noted with the arrow is where the ink had actually peeled away on its way from the machine.

Decided this must mean 'too much ink', so made an adjustment of two notches down in 'dark/light', and that solved the problem.

So now am moving on to splicing the two copies, taping them in back, and applying the medium.

Posting this might seem a bit silly to those of you who have perfected this, but for those who are just starting out, like me, it's an attempt to not have them discouraged too much, and too soon.
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:41 PM
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I definitely want to watch this all of the way. Thank you for sharing, Karen.
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:48 PM
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Hiya, dear colleague, can we back up for those in the orchestra? The balcony?

You have an image. You take it to the photocopy shop. You reproduce it on the coated paper. In this case, Talbot's unmarked paper.

Then you take it home and slop on some gel medium. How many coats? Vertically; horizontally; at right angles?

Right?
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Then you take it home and slop on some gel medium. How many coats? Vertically; horizontally; at right angles?

Right?

I get confused, just right here. Do you let the coats dry before applying the next? The application of the gel is on the paper and on the surface you want the image on?
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Mary - I was trying to get Karen to step-by-step it.

How I do it: I coat the image with a thin coat (coat the other side and hang it up to DRY on an old wooden drying rack. It dries very fast all things considered and if you are in a hurry, at this stage, I'm not: you can use a hair dryer to move it along.

I probably coat front and back three times with these thin (not running) applications and if I am in a hurry (again this is rare as I am always thinking about what I want to do) - I let them dry thoroughly.

If I don't use them immediately (the next day) I put them between "release paper" to keep them from sticking to anything especially each other.

I am curious to hear what Karen is doing.

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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Pitfalls, Challenges, Suggestions:

Coat bi-directionally - one way and the other to ensure you've covered the entire image.

Don't cut out the image but rather use edges so you can pick the coated image up with your fingers/hands.

Make sure you don't create streaks, bubbles or noticeable imperfections as these will your transfer(s).
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Prepare your other surface only when you are ready to make your transfer.

Liberally coat the substrate - with several bi-directional coats of medium. Allow them to dry naturally or dry them with a heat gun (have the heat gun at your ready).

Set up your area with your substrate; your images laid aside; a heat gun (if you like); your light weight iron; your exacto knife or scissors, etc.
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This can be the beginning of the rough draft for an article.

Just need the pictures.

Karen is providing us with those -


Karen? Karen?
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

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Mary - I was trying to get Karen to step-by-step it.

I probably coat front and back three times with these thin (not running) applications and if I am in a hurry (again this is rare as I am always thinking about what I want to do) - I let them dry thoroughly.

Okay...now I'm lost....
I only coat the non-image side when I'm adhering the paper to the canvas. I don't coat the back side at all when I'm doing transfers. Because I presumed it wouldn't allow the water to penetrate through the stuff that has to be peeled off.

I am also waffling on whether to use glossy liquid medium as I have previously (with which I have already coated the canvas 3 times), or try the matte gel that I have here. Seems to me the gel might give a bit of extra body to the transfer. I would apply 2 or 3 coats of this (image side only).

Advice? I'm in no rush...


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Mary - I was trying to get Karen to step-by-step it.
I am curious to hear what Karen is doing.
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Well actually I am planning a step-by-step. Right from conception...lol.
When I was about to send the first scan here, I accidentally deleted the entire folder of progress pics! I have just gotten them back from disk.

Can give a glimpse from original photos right through to final concept (photoshop image) right away if you like. Would show what I'm shooting for. And then we can all have a huge laugh when I flub things later.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:58 PM
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Re: Documenting Project:Image Transfer to Finished Painting

Fire away with all the cannons, although I am starting to feel really sleepy.

You have Talbot's book at the ready, don't you? I have probably made a zillion adaptations since I took his workshop, but I believe even then we coated both sides. He has this one room with one whole wall of racks - he offered me the free use of his studio if I wanted and I could prep his images

I always coat both sides of the image. I generally wait until the end to see what part(s) I want to transfer and then cut them out (remember I'm mixing and matching often) so this is an important advantage.

I think in the long run it doesn't matter whether you use the gloss or the matte. I've alternated by virtue of what was handy but if I am doing a piece that I want to ensure is going to transfer, I think I unconsciously follow Jonathan's methods more exactly.
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I wouldn't worry about the water's ability to remove the medium. Water moves mountains!

I've done these transfers with gesso - a much heavier weight medium with no problem. The only challenge (the big P = patience). With the gesso I need more elbow-grease, but not so much as it doesn't work.
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