WetCanvas
Home Member Services Content Areas Tools Info Center WC Partners Shop Help
Channels:
Search for:
in:

Welcome to the WetCanvas forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit our help center.

Go Back   WetCanvas > Explore Media > Glass Art > Let's Talk > Glass Technical Forum
User Name
Password
Register Mark Forums Read

Salute to our Partners
WC! Sponsors

Our Sponsors
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 03:28 AM
Gayle Harthcock's Avatar
Gayle Harthcock Gayle Harthcock is offline
Senior Member
Yakima, Washington
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 118
 
Hails from United States
Copper foil help

I just bought some copper foil and now I'm not sure how to use it. Any pictures and instruction would be helpful. If there's already a thread on this issue, just let me know. Thanks so much!
__________________
Gayle
Reply With Quote
  #2   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 07:30 AM
MegannsMom's Avatar
MegannsMom MegannsMom is offline
Enthusiast
Council Bluffs, Iowa
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,058
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

I for one have never had much luck with copper foil. All I get is yuck, no matter what I do! I have heard that if you make coppered opal yellow stringer (like you would SIS) that it does pretty things; I tried it and got "ashy opal yellow" stringer. (Not attractive, BTW)

I have also heard that if you use the copper foil with white enamel, it is pretty. I haven't tried that, since I have yet to buy any enamels.

Gee, I'm a lot of help, huh?!
Have you tried doing a search here in the tech forum? If I remember correctly, there may be something about it in glass 101, too.........

~Cindy
__________________
fantasybeading.com
Reply With Quote
  #3   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 08:15 AM
goof ball goof ball is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 295
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

It's been awhile since I've played with my copper foil, but I've had good luck with it. Just a few things to keep in mind....
The hotter and longer you cook it, the better the outcome.
The more foil (or leaf) you use, the longer you have to cook it.
If you see any dark spots on the bead while it's in the flame, concentrate the heat on those til they disappear. If you don't take care of them in the flame, the bead will have spots of gray or black ash so cook those suckers!
The more copper you add, the deeper your end color results will be.

I'm on an HH, nothing fancy here, so far the best beads I've made using copper have been on clear. I make a plain clear bead, roll in the foil, burnish it well, then put it back in the flame. It will look Terrible! when it first hits the flame. Don't worry about this, just keep cooking it. You want to burn the copper right into the glass. There will be bits of it that look like burned paper and will float away due to the pressure of the torch, but just keep going. Cook, burn, turn, just keep doing it til you think you're sure you're wasting your time. It really doesn't take that long, but it's definately longer than a "regular" bead. Pull it out of the flame now and again to check your progress, checking for black spots or the color of the bead. If you see any black spots, concentrate your heat on them til you melt them away. It will happen, you just have to cook the snot out of the copper to get it to turn the neat blues and greens.

I've also used white, but just wound up with a very pretty sky blue, so close to the Moretti sky blue, it was a neat experiment, just not worth my time.

I've also pulled stringer, similar to SIS, but in the case of copper, I melt a big glob of clear, roll it in the copper, back to the flame, and then I "work" the copper into the melted glass. Grab it with a punty, or in my case cuz I'm punty challenged, a needle nose pliers, and just start twisting, pulling, folding it over, kneading it til it's all mixed up good. I marver this "mess" til it's back to a rod shape, then pull stringer. The stringer looks great! over ivory, neat reactions going on where the 2 different glasses meet. I've also used the stringer over silvered black which is really cool too. Make a black bead, roll in silver foil or leaf, burnish well, then back into the flame. I usually turn my flame down a bit, apply the stringer before all the silver is burned off, capturing it under the copper/blue/green stringer. Very cool!

I'll see if I can find any pics and post them. Have fun with this copper!
Mary
Reply With Quote
  #4   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 08:26 AM
Pyroglasstic's Avatar
Pyroglasstic Pyroglasstic is offline
Senior Member
Chicago burbs
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 146
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

Thanks for the info Mary,I just got some copper foil and I cant wait to try it.Now with a few well explained techniques,Im ready to go.
Jeff
Reply With Quote
  #5   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 08:29 AM
goof ball goof ball is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 295
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

Found the pics, they probably suck but maybe they'll give you an idea of what I was talking about.
Attached Images
  
Reply With Quote
  #6   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 09:45 AM
Moth's Avatar
Moth Moth is offline
A WetCanvas! Patron Saint
Northeast Ohio
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 3,668
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

Wow Mary...that was some great info.

I guess I wasn't cooking mine long enough because I never achieved pretty colors with my copper leaf until I started putting it over enamels. Once I started the enamels, it was a breeze.


I have found that everything Mary said is right on! Cook the bejeebers out of it, the little flakes of foil will fly up into the ventilation, it will look like ash until it is all burnt into the glass, etc. All the same things I have experienced.

My only difference is that I will form a base bead of any color at all, roll it in white enamel, melt the enamel into the bead, roll lightly in copper foil, burnish the foil onto the bead, then cook the holy heat into it.

Here are some of my results. I like it best on black, but to each his own.

This one is black base, white enamel, copper leaf, encased in clear



This one is a floral where I used the black base/white enamel/copper foil as the base of the bead:


~~Mary
__________________
My Website- Last Update 5/14/06
My Etsy Shop
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
--Winston Churchill
Reply With Quote
  #7   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 10:15 AM
McDuck's Avatar
McDuck McDuck is offline
A WetCanvas! Patron Saint
The Windy City, IL
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,315
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

Both Mary's, beautiful work and explainations. It is true you have to cook the snot out of it to make it pop. Just look at their beads! Thank you for sharing!
yet another Mary
Reply With Quote
  #8   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 11:47 AM
Dawnt0721's Avatar
Dawnt0721 Dawnt0721 is offline
WC! Guide
Colorado
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 3,767
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

Oh my now I HAVE to go buy some copper foil! Does Hobby Lobby sell real copper? I know they don't have the real silver thing just a copper alloy...would that work like copper?

Thanks for the great explanations and S&Ts!
__________________
Dawn
My Blog
Etsy Store~ArtFire
Reply With Quote
  #9   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 01:51 PM
goof ball goof ball is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 295
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

That white enamel is Way Cool....!!!!! Oh crap, now I have to get some of that too. My DH is gonna kill me if I spend one more cent on this glass adventure.

Help me! Help me!

The copper foil I use, I bought at a craft shop, I think it was the Mona Lisa brand or something. Cost about $6.00 but it is real 100% copper leaf. The other leaf they have there does not work.


Have fun burnin'!!
Mary
Reply With Quote
  #10   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-06-2004, 10:48 PM
Gayle Harthcock's Avatar
Gayle Harthcock Gayle Harthcock is offline
Senior Member
Yakima, Washington
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 118
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

Wow Mary and Mary thanks so much, this is exactly the type of information I was looking for!!! And thanks too for the pictures, they are the type of results I had seen but couldn't for the life of me figure out what to do. I have made a clear bead rolled with copper burned off and then encased in clear -- what I got was a nice patina coloured green sandwiched in the bead, but it really wasn't the result I was looking for! Thanks again and if anyone else out there has any other pictures, I would LOVE to see them! Wet Canvas is the best!
__________________
Gayle
Reply With Quote
  #11   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-07-2004, 06:37 AM
kerensa kerensa is offline
Senior Member
NY
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 186
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

something else I do with mine that I didn't see mentioned yet. I roll the bead in the copper burnish it. put it back in the flame right on the edge just long enough to turn it to ash then encase it in any clear color. Back into the flame and boil the sucker. every where the copper was there will be a layer of bubbles- reminds me of stars in the night sky. If you cut shapes out of the copper leaf with a punch. ( suns moons stars birds ect) and do it with those the same effect will happen as bubbles.

Kerensa
Reply With Quote
  #12   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-07-2004, 08:50 AM
craftscout's Avatar
craftscout craftscout is offline
Senior Member
Houston, Texas
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 144
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

I have tried a few punched shapes out of some thicker copper foil, but they just turned a pretty brown red (since they were leaves, they looked perfect for fall). So if I cook the snot out of these, will they turn all blue and green?? Or would it take too much time and much higher heat than my little hothead can handle? Ooooh, I hope not . . . .those beads posted are yummy!
__________________
scout, no fancy stuff, just me
Reply With Quote
  #13   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-07-2004, 09:17 AM
kerensa kerensa is offline
Senior Member
NY
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 186
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

you would be better off, taking copper leaf between 2 sheets of paper and punching the shapes out if you want color. the thicker foil takes forever on a hot head.

K.
Reply With Quote
  #14   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-09-2004, 01:41 AM
LynneC LynneC is offline
New Member
Surrey, B.C.
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 39
 
Hails from Canada
Re: Copper foil help

Using enamel with your copper leaf really helps it melt into the glass (it acts as a flux, so you need less heat). Adding silver to the equation gives you even more colors. And as a side note, copper on white or clear gives you turquoise, but on ivory it is sort of olive (I would call it puke green, cause I don't care for the color, but to each his own).
Reply With Quote
  #15   Report Bad Post  
Old 11-09-2004, 10:33 AM
DesertDreamer's Avatar
DesertDreamer DesertDreamer is offline
A WetCanvas! Patron Saint
Gilbert AZ
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 3,318
 
Hails from United States
Re: Copper foil help

I really like the copper effects, though I haven't played with it much, yet. This first bead is white moretti base, white Thompson enamel, and copper leaf, all melted in, then squiggled with rubino. The second one is a base of clear with white enamel and copper only. And the third is something new I'm messing with....just clear with copper mesh I bought at an art supply store.
Attached Images
   
__________________
Karen (K) Sherwood
End global warming....breed more pirates!
Desert Dreamer Designs
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:22 AM.


Copyright 1998-2013, F+W Media, Inc. All Rights Reserved.