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Old 08-15-2005, 08:37 PM
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I agree with King Rundzap.

I hope one day everyone will understand that there are no rules - yes - no rules - these are techniques or tools that make you acheive a certain end result.

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I photograph street rods for clients and work them up on the computer using PhotoShop etc....

There are rules and the client makes them and I obey them. Cause I like to get paid.
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i for ne am happy that these "rules" are here. to use as a tool to throw in a different perspective on my technique. the more i paint by the numbers, the more i grow, later what does not stick in my technique, will be pruned to make room for new growth. thank you dudley.
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Re: A Composition Check List

As a graphic design instructor I tend to be encountered with the above dilemma, “to follow or not to follow rules”. I have arrived at the conclusion that composition rules, and guidelines (or any other visual communication “laws”) are to be used as "default" rules.

In other words, they are to be followed to create an effective "visual communication" piece. However, if one is in command of all of the above mentioned rules (checklist), and only then, one can "decide" (with a reasons and purpose in mind) to break such rules. The point is that one must initially understand what the rules are, what they accomplish. At that time the artist / designer will be in command of his/her educated decisions, and hence successfully defend and explain the reasons (if the was the need to do so) behind the dis-obeyance of basic visual communication rules an guidelines.

This is where an educated artist (genius are exceptions to this) can expand their horizons, while ones not exposed to visual communication and it’s rules and guidelines, will be limited to their own genetic or “collected” skills and talents.
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I'm writing an article for the Mixed Media forum " An Introduction to Collage and Mixed Media." Some of the issues I want to discuss are composition, focal point, color harmony ... the usual suspects. Whether you are a realist or abstract artist, certain principles are universal.

Can I borrow some of this list? It looks great.

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I'm writing an article for the Mixed Media forum " An Introduction to Collage and Mixed Media." Some of the issues I want to discuss are composition, focal point, color harmony ... the usual suspects. Whether you are a realist or abstract artist, certain principles are universal.

Can I borrow some of this list? It looks great.

Thanks either way !

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As a graphic design instructor I tend to be encountered with the above dilemma, “to follow or not to follow rules”. I have arrived at the conclusion that composition rules, and guidelines (or any other visual communication “laws”) are to be used as "default" rules.

In other words, they are to be followed to create an effective "visual communication" piece. However, if one is in command of all of the above mentioned rules (checklist), and only then, one can "decide" (with a reasons and purpose in mind) to break such rules. The point is that one must initially understand what the rules are, what they accomplish. At that time the artist / designer will be in command of his/her educated decisions, and hence successfully defend and explain the reasons (if the was the need to do so) behind the dis-obeyance of basic visual communication rules an guidelines.

This is where an educated artist (genius are exceptions to this) can expand their horizons, while ones not exposed to visual communication and it’s rules and guidelines, will be limited to their own genetic or “collected” skills and talents.
VERY beautifully put, Pouya! I think you are exactly right and I thoroughly agree! Donna ;-}
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Thank you, I certainly appreciate the fact that you have put this all in one place. I am taking the time to etch it in my brain. I know it all, yet I want it to intuitively be able to draw on my knowledge, so that I can bend the rules when and if I want to. Back to my studies.
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I like it, it reminds me of autumn leaves on the forest floor with bits of sunlight coming through the trees.
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Thanks for this check list. Sometimes you forget the simple rules and sometimes it can help you search for what's wrong with a painting.

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Agreed.
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Re: A Composition Check List

I studied classical guitar and was told by my instructor that I needed to perform in a certain manner, when I noted that some of the master guitarists I had seen did not do the certain behaviour my instructor had mentioned, my teacher told me, "when you get as good as they, you can break the rules too!" I found his comments very sobering, but right on. .

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As a graphic design instructor I tend to be encountered with the above dilemma, “to follow or not to follow rules”. I have arrived at the conclusion that composition rules, and guidelines (or any other visual communication “laws”) are to be used as "default" rules.

In other words, they are to be followed to create an effective "visual communication" piece. However, if one is in command of all of the above mentioned rules (checklist), and only then, one can "decide" (with a reasons and purpose in mind) to break such rules. The point is that one must initially understand what the rules are, what they accomplish. At that time the artist / designer will be in command of his/her educated decisions, and hence successfully defend and explain the reasons (if the was the need to do so) behind the dis-obeyance of basic visual communication rules an guidelines.

This is where an educated artist (genius are exceptions to this) can expand their horizons, while ones not exposed to visual communication and it’s rules and guidelines, will be limited to their own genetic or “collected” skills and talents.
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With all due respect, I find statements such as that to be somewhat stuffy and dismissive. Of course, I am speaking not of the person who posted here, but of all of those tired and smothering instructors who would enforce conformity at the expense of creative freedom. Of course, once free of the instructor's oversight, the student will experiment at will. That is one way in which experiential learning occurs. The corollary to that statement is that when one can effectively break the rules, they are that good!

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I studied classical guitar and was told by my instructor that I needed to perform in a certain manner, when I noted that some of the master guitarists I had seen did not do the certain behaviour my instructor had mentioned, my teacher told me, "when you get as good as they, you can break the rules too!" I found his comments very sobering, but right on. .
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With all due respect, I find statements such as that to be somewhat stuffy and dismissive. Of course, I am speaking not of the person who posted here, but of all of those tired and smothering instructors who would enforce conformity at the expense of creative freedom. Of course, once free of the instructor's oversight, the student will experiment at will. That is one way in which experiential learning occurs. The corollary to that statement is that when one can effectively break the rules, they are that good!

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That would indeed be the corollary. I can understand the instructors point though-especially if in a formalized training environment. One needs to understand, if not integrate, the 'rules' before moving off 'the beaten path.' They would have the tools to be able to analyze what went wrong which would be better than 'by guess and by golly.'

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