mission sketch

Thom Byrd · #1 03-16-2004, 01:08 AM

size 8"X10"
Canson paper
Prismacolor pencils
Time 90 minutes

Thom Byrd · #2 03-16-2004, 07:57 PM

Once again fifty some veiws and no ~ zero ~ none ~ comments ~say something * like it

don't like

tell me

~ I won't be

kimo · #3 03-16-2004, 08:37 PM

I love the texture and color in this! But something about the door in the far building bugs me. But I can't put my finger on it. I think it's because there seems to be some "fullness" to the stone, but not to the wood frame on the door. Does that makes sense? I think some cast shadow from the doorframe and wood planks would make it pop out more. And more contrast. But that's me - I love high contrast!

Thom Byrd · #4 03-16-2004, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kimo

I love the texture and color in this! But something about the door in the far building bugs me. But I can't put my finger on it. I think it's because there seems to be some "fullness" to the stone, but not to the wood frame on the door. Does that makes sense? I think some cast shadow from the doorframe and wood planks would make it pop out more. And more contrast. But that's me - I love high contrast!

yes you make perfect sense*after what you said and taking another look at it * I think the top of the door has to be a tad darker ~ modulating to lighter toward the bottom*
Thanks

bmac · #5 03-16-2004, 10:35 PM

Thom, I'm sorry, I looked at this earlier in the day but didn't have time to comment. I just had a few minutes to look at a few posts. But I looked at it and could not figure out what it is about it that bothers me. The depth reads a little flat, I think because the inside wall around the door with the steps is lighter than the top part. (Does that make sense??

) Maybe if you darkened the value on that part it would make recede more. Also the shadow around the door in the foreground is kindof flat too.
But the textures on the outside wall looks good.

Patty S · #6 03-16-2004, 11:00 PM

I really like the colors and the adobe effect you got, especially on the outside wall. I sort of feel unqualified to tell someone else what to do with their artwork as it's such a personal thing, but also I know that just saying "I love it" really isn't all that helpful.

I think maybe it could use some more shadow or dark areas on the areas inside the outer wall to give it more depth and drama. Overall, I think it's a very nice piece.
Patty

Thom Byrd · #7 03-17-2004, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Patty S

I really like the colors and the adobe effect you got, especially on the outside wall. I sort of feel unqualified to tell someone else what to do with their artwork as it's such a personal thing, but also I know that just saying "I love it" really isn't all that helpful.

Yes~ saying you like it~ is very helpful,and encouraging

and telling me what you don't like~plus what I can do to make you like it better ~are excellent pointers*
Thank you for looking

I think maybe it could use some more shadow or dark areas on the areas inside the outer wall to give it more depth and drama. Overall, I think it's a very nice piece.
Patty

gemmag · #8 03-17-2004, 11:11 AM

Hi Thom,

I think what might be off is the perspective on the front doorway which is making the back door look off. Love the colors!

Gemma

frida · #9 03-17-2004, 03:09 PM

Good subject matter Thom! And 90 minutes???

You've got a great deal of texture with some wisely applied colour there.

IMO you could give it a lot of punch with very little work:
~ starting from behind the front entrance, slowly darken up the ground going back.
~ make the back wall darker, and tone down the door and steps accordingly, so they don't jump forward.
~ see if you can make both walls look thicker, more substantial, maybe by ending with three definite values along the sunlit edges.

**Charlie's Mum** · #10 03-17-2004, 04:03 PM

Hi Thom, just "popped in" and saw this - the colour is indicative of the subject, so good (bearing in mind I can only go on film/tv for my idea of such images!).
I think Raquel is right and offers good advice.
The problem I see is that your veiwpoint makes linear perspective difficult because you're limited in the areas where it can be used effectively, therefore, you have to rely on colour and tones to create the sense of depth and distance across the courtyard. Perhaps if you could increase the sense of sunlight and shadow with much stronger contrasts, that would do the trick.
Will you post an update and I'm sure we'll all look!

Jazz · #11 03-17-2004, 05:46 PM

Hiya! Thom

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I would say that if you could use some dark blue like Indigo in the shadows and maybe across the ground getting darker as it gets closer to the back wall might help give the illusion of depth and distance -what do ya think?

I love the texture you have on the front wall and the colours are lovely, I just feel you need to add in some cool tones to give it the depth and the cool tones will give your warmer tones a real boost too. PLus wouldn't there be a shadow coming off the walls if the light is coming from (the viewers left), you know a triangular shadow coming off the bottom of both walls? I am sorry, I am not explaining myself very well -I hope you get the jist of what I am trying to say?

I love the light this piece has too -it looks like the kind of light it would have in a place like that, again I fail to put into words exactly what I mean

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Are you intending to do anymore to it? other than the suggestions already made by others?

Big hugs,

ALI

Anita Orsini · #12 03-20-2004, 10:24 AM

I think your greatest problem here is with the composition. By placing the doors within the doorway with the dark shadow across the bottom you have very affectively created a square bullseye. The viewers eye goes directly to the door and can't go anywhere else. Your goal should be to lead the viewers eye through the painting. I agree with the others comments on color and perspective but I do not think this alone would do the trick.

Anita

Anita Orsini · #13 03-20-2004, 10:37 AM

I have been looking at this some more and thinking that if you add some color variation to the background it would set the building back and distinguish it from the doorway. And Adding more variation to this area would give the viewer something to look at besides the doorway. I would like to see some richer color in the ground area with lots of subtle variation. I think that making the light area of the door way a darker value would also help get rid of the bullseye affect. In general I am saying I think you need to make this whole background area more interesting, a place to look around. Otherwise the viewer will go into the picture to that door and leave again. Hope this is helpful.
Anita

raye51 · #14 03-20-2004, 10:45 AM

Tom, I admire your work.... Architecture for me is very difficult for me, I think the perspective is off in your painting, but can't offer any help. You have skillfully used this medium, I will be watching to see how this developes. I love the theme of this!
Raye

Topaze-Skye · #15 03-20-2004, 06:45 PM

I think it's great, love the subject, I do have a set of coloured pencils and this forum really makes me want to try them out.
I do not criticise, or offer advise, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I love the colours you have used, and as previously said it's my kind of subject.

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