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Old 01-02-2004, 05:45 PM
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Use to denote nudity/mature subject matter Study of Rapael's "Study of Naked Youth"

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Title: Study of Rapael's "Study of Naked Youth"
Year Created: 2003
Medium: Charcoal
Surface: Paper
Dimension: 8
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I am working on human form.

MY QUESTIONS FOR THE GROUP:
Any comments on form. Shading etc.?
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Old 01-02-2004, 08:30 PM
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They look hurried, with little attention to detail, proportion or shading.

I am unfamiliar with the exact Raphael you are attempting to copy, and a web search turns up nothing, but your sketches are very poor copies of any of Raphael's works.

Your anatomy skills are very lacking, and your shading is ambiguous. About all I can suggest is you try copying the Raphael again, and maybe take longer to capture the details better...

If you could post a copy of the work you are trying to draw, more specific details could be given, but suffice it to say these sketches really are not of a quality really deserving an in-depth critique.
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Old 01-03-2004, 01:16 PM
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these sketches really are not of a quality really deserving an in-depth critique.

Hhhmmmm....."deserving?" Well...obviously anyone who takes time to provide a critique to something undeserving must be themselves unworthy, for what worthy person would waste time on something undeserving. Alas...though I only have winning Wisconsin's Wildlife Artist of the Year, our state's inland trout stamp competition, been a finalist 23 of 33 competitions entered around the country to my credit. Though my plein airs are selling and are gaining demand in only a few high end galleries, and I have a show coming up in New York National Art's gallery in 2005.

Though I have raised a son that is a WC artist member gaining reputation as one of the finest caricaturists living and working today with some irrefutable drawing skills...though, he might be too busy at the moment to offer help...(check out his drawings here for some inspiration. A more recent drawing of his baby daughter where he went for more realism simply blew me away)-
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show...hreadid=155104

Therefore perhaps while I am yet only existing on a garment's hem of worthiness having yet much to attain yet before I am considered a good artist, I will try humbly if you will allow me in the spirit of what Wetcanvas as a community tries to be here in nurturing and encouraging artists to offer my pittance of a critique here....

I have noticed here in your effort, that you have emphasized character and weight of line where gravity would require strength to hold up form. You have done so by increasing thickness and value of line, which I point out by circling one such area of your second drawing-



...this is a good observation on your part, and I hope you realize the importance that Raphael placed in using such lines rather than having copied it?

I teach high school art in addition to my own art work direction, and what I am sensing is lacking some real solidity of form. This is a common beginner's issue and struggle...and comes by placing emphasis on what is happening on the contours of a subject with not enough understanding of what is happening within.

There is anatomically bone structure, muscle mass...muscles that will in anyone pose be contracted while others are relaxed and so forth.

Such is easier to see with a live model, which no doubt Raphael had the good fortune to have.

My suggestion would be to do a series of smaller sketches and looking again at Raphael's drawing, construct the form with shapes. Look for geometric shapes such as rectangles, squares, ovals, and such and draw them out lightly, connecting.

Note if you drew a line straight down from the shoulder where it would hit the hip, if a line went across from the elbow what would line up with that and so forth.

Then, over this infrastructure that you have built up, develop the contour lines of the outer form.

See...Raphael had much experience and knowledge of all this infrastructure going on first. Like riding a bicycle, he was no longer trying to get balance and beginner things down, so he could focus on the ride. Were Raphael at a more beginning stage, his drawings would have a much different look and you'd detect his concerns for the mass and forms developing from the inside out.

Another suggestion I'd make is to apply your shading differently. You already have line for form, perhaps use a charcoal vine stick to apply a bit of shading and a finger or q-tip to smudge and blend it all out.

Do more of these...as its more a matter of accumulating experiences till you begin to get it. Draw at every opportunity, and try to draw a thing from the inside out. Sketch light, develop form and then build strength of line.

Engage...embrace, strive and carry on. Sorry...wish I could offer more but my undeserving ill wife would like an unworthy offering of my time to make some brunch for the two of us.

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The human figure is so very difficult and I applaud your efforts to study it.

Of your two figures, I feel that you have a better handle on the second one and that you really enjoyed drawing that pose. There is more solidity and strength to that figure that is lacking in the first.

One of the things I noticed in the first: the proportions are off on the feet. We all have our weaknesses. Observation and practice will improve your drawing a lot.

Are you taking a class? Working with a life drawing group? There are a number of wonderful book out there that will help with observation.

The Betty Edwards books are good, as are;

Nicolaides' "Natural Way to Draw"
Andrew Loomis' "Figure Drawing for All It's Worth"
Nathan Goldstein's "Figure Drawing"
Marbury Hill Brown's "Bodyworks: A Visual Guide to Drawing the Figure"

Some of these might be out of print but I'm sure you could find copies on EBay.

Please post future efforts. We are here to help each other improve.

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