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Old 05-22-2015, 03:38 AM
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Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

I am thinking of trying Canson Moulin du Roy 100% cotton watercolour paper but can not find much info about it. I would be interested in hearing your opinion about it. How is it compared to other cotton papers like Saunders Waterford, Arches and others?
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Old 05-22-2015, 05:23 AM
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

In fact i know 2 kind of paper : cellulose ones and coton ones. ( i heard of bambou's one ???? and all the japonese one)...
the cellulose ones keep water on top so you can easily take your paint off even when its dry to make white ( using a wet brush whith clean water but doing it when it's all dry). You will find the Moulin du coq, or the Montval from Canson in that catégory. I like both, the montval is whiter i like it. THe only problem whith that paper is that it don't like the successiv wash, because pigment goes away easily. So all depend of you way and mehtod of painting. You can't really do that on Arches or with more difficulty. With Arches ( coton paper) the paint goes down the paper, when it's dry and it 's more difficult to take the paint of to make white. You must do it carrefuly before it's dry, being very carreful not to make auréole.
Moulin du roy is a manufactured under round. 100% cotton paper with 2 surfaces to choose from: fine grain, grain or cloth. Moulin du Roy by Canson was developed in partnership with the artists:
it offers a close texture of a handmade paper. Moreover, it is watermarked: Moulin du Roy, it also has a resistance to tearing due to long fibers. 2 texture : Fine Grain or tea towel
- Moulin du Roy gives shine and luster pigments. It absorbs water very slowly, which facilitates the recovery of white and corrections, but i must admit that when i tryed it i noticed it was better to make before it's dry.
There is one paper you can recover white easily in coton it's the fabriano artistico ultra white i use sometimes. A very good paper . You can do successiv wash.

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Old 05-22-2015, 06:10 AM
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

Let's see if I understand you correctly. Moulain du Roy differs from Arches quite a bit? I got a bit confused as you also mentioned Montval. Is Moulain more similar to Montval even if Montval is cellulose? I have abandoned cellulose papers for everything but watercolour markers. My prefered papers are Arches and Saunders Waterford.
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

OUps sorry my bad english... Arches is the best for me, and you have fabriano artistico ultra white too. After Moulin du Roy is a good coton paper but not as good as Arches for me. Thats' for the coton paper
MOulin du coq is a cellulose paper, and Moulin du Roy is a coton one. So they aren't the same paper at all.
Moulin du coq for me is good for a cellulose paper. It hasn't got the same particularity than the coton paper.
Montval good to take white out too. And Moulin du coq et Montval are less expensive than Arches but you don't have the same effect... ALl depend of what you like, the way you paint. You should have a try to see.
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

In what way do Arches and Moulin differ, from your experience?
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

Arches is so special, it seems to live, when you put paint on it the fusion is particular. I don't find the same effect on Moulin du Roy not at all.
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

Thank you Victoire! I understand what you mean. That description is a good help.
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

I use both Arches and Canson Moulin Du Roi which translates to King's Mill. The mill of the King. It is excellent paper but does not take excessive scrubbing as well as the Arches paper does. I have a roll of it and a roll of the Arches currently and am tempted to try them side by side to see what the similarities and differences might be. How they handle paint is likely a matter of the techniques employed on them as much as anything else. What works well for some techniques may not work as well for others.

I have always loved Arches paper as my go to paper for handling consistency. It has never let me down as far as the cold pressed or rough paper goes. I haven't used their hot pressed paper as I seldom work with colored pencils, but I imagine it is of a similar standard of quality.

Canson's papers are all over the map in terms of fiber content, quality and price, but the Du Roi is made in France at a family owned mill that has been in business for a very long time and it has kept the same processes and in house work force that it had before its acquisition by Canson. They know better than to mess with a good product. And it is quite good in my opinion. As always, Deb Hill
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

I recently had access to Moulon du Roi, and thought to research prior to purchase.

There is a video on YouTube by the manufacturer extolling its virtues, the artist working wet in very wet.

Marialena (Ydatographia) recently wrote a thread on it, essentially calling it truly horrible stuff. It requires a day of soaking, and exuded a white substance which I think to be starch. In a 100% cotton? All in all, it did not suit me, so I didn't buy it. I supposed it to be a specialised paper very good at something, difficult to live with, not versatile. I would suggest anyone interested to research it carefully in terms of suitability to what they require it for.

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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

Hi,

I have recently tried out some Saunders Waterford (high white), Fabriano Artistico and Canson Moulin du Roy papers.

All were 300gsm, 100% cotton and I found no real difference between them. They are all excellent quality watercolour papers.

I would happily use any/either/all and would only favour one above the other due to price.

The Moulin Du Roy seems to be slightly cheaper at around £3 per full imperial sheet. The Saunders and Fabriano were around £3.50 per sheet.

In use all were excellent to work with and gave the kind of watercolour result you would expect from an artist quality 100% cotton rag paper.

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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

I have both Saunders and Fabriano Artistico and find them quite different. Saunders take several layers and feel more robust. Fabriano feels more fragile when wet and I do not manage to paint several layers.
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

I appreciate the comments here; I have found Fabriano Artistico compares unfavorably to Arches, and look forward to trying Saunders. Thank you, all.
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Re: Canson Moulin du Roy watercolour paper?

Hi again,

Arches is not an option due to it's price for me.
Hence my investigations with the other brands.

Lots of people love Arches, but you have to usually pay a premium to use it.

That's fine of course, it's a free choice each artist must make provided cost isn't an issue.

For me it was an issue and I'm happy enough with any of the other 100% cotton brands and even Bockingford (not 100% cotton) for certain types of work.
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