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Old 03-26-2001, 01:10 AM
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Hello. I've been following along the other messages that I believe animal posted, and it has been very informative. The only experience that I have had with pastels were the kind made of oil, and I am afraid I don't know how to use them! I tried drawing a picture but it is like using a crayon! Is this how it is supposed to behave? And I couldn't get them to blend! What did I do wrong? Or what am I missing? I think I would like to try the other kind....soft was it? Please help explain more of these two types??? Here is a picture I did back in 1997..the only time I've used pastels. They were oil, and notice how they look like crayons....
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You didn't do anything "wrong", oil pastels are not readily blendable as are regular soft pastels. Some artists blend oil pastel colors by use of a brush with turpentine; there is an Oil Pastel association, headed by John Elliot, where you may get some info in regards to oil pastel. Although blendable in that way, the results are not as desirable, in my opinion, as working in soft pastel.
There are many past threads here at Wet Canvas in regards to starting out in soft pastel. There are the less expensive brands, such as Nupastels and Rembrandts, or you could purchase some half stick sets to try them out. As far as supports, Canson paper is a favorite to get your "feet wet" before moving up to better surfaces to work on.
Good luck and enjoy...
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Sajemak,

Unfortunately oil pastels are not as popular as soft pastels and there are not many of us here that use them.

Here is the Oil Pastel Association web site address: http://www.allart.com

Unfortunately, they don't have a lot of information on their site as yet. They do have oil pastel article reprints from the The Artist's Magazine you can order:
http://www.allart.com/artpub.htm

There are several links in the Pastels, as well as the Oil Painting Forums that deal with pastels. I'll include a few from the Pastels Forum below. If you want to read all of the threads, or see what's in the Oil Painting Forum, use the WC! search function.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000065.html
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000190.html
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000229.html
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000229.html

Hope this helps somewhat!

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Thank you both for the help and the information!

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Quote:
Originally posted by 4vincent:
You didn't do anything "wrong", oil pastels are not readily blendable as are regular soft pastels. Some artists blend oil pastel colors by use of a brush with turpentine; there is an Oil Pastel association, headed by John Elliot, where you may get some info in regards to oil pastel. Although blendable in that way, the results are not as desirable, in my opinion, as working in soft pastel.


I think I have to disagree with the statement of oil pastels not blending unless you use turpentine.
I have been working with chalk pastels for over 20 years and decided to try oil pastels this year for a change. Like I want to try colored pencils ( but that is another subject)
Anyways, I'm working on a piece, with oil pastels and am using the rough side of canson, and a tortillon ( rolled up paper thingy)to blend. You can also layer,which this piece has many. ugh!
I use an x-acto knife to remove, not an eraser.
Just for everyone's info, try oil pastels. I bought a cheap set to start out. I don't mind them at all....no dust!
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Julie,

I've tried oil pastels several times and I just . . . well . . . don't like them :P

They foistered those things on us in high school and I just never really liked the look or feel of them. I DO admire people who can use them effectively.

I still have two sets kicking around and my daughter has one as well. Every now and then I take them out and play, with the same result:

I think that oil pastels and I have mutual distaste for each other

That's just me, though!

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There was no statement that they were not blendable UNLESS you use turpentine. They are blendable; I merely added that some use turp to blend them.
I tried them years ago and got some interesting effects, but prefer soft pastels.
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That's ok, I just wanted to state the fact that if someone wanted to try them that it won't be a waste of money and time. As soon as I get this piece I'm working on tweeked, I will show the effects.
Thanks Roan and 4Vincent for you comments on how you feel about them.
I prefer soft and hard pastels myself. No bad feelings here.


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Julie:

Oh, please do show us your end result. I really DO admire people who can use them.

I just wanted to make sure you knew that I had tried, several times, and was not just being closed-minded about it.

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**Hugs** back. thanks I needed that, had a hard week. I will post the final after this weekend or by Sunday.
Have a great weekend.

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