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Old 10-01-2012, 11:14 PM
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Use to denote nudity/mature subject matter "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

I scream inside a little when I hear that. I'm someone focusing on making my Surreal paintings photo-realistic, which I consider very creative. I think photo-realism is very fascinating. To make a painting not look like a painting is amazing to me. What is it that people have against photo-realism? They say "What's the point if you're just going to make it look like a picture?".
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:00 AM
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

For me personally they are impressive technically but lack expressionism. I like to look to admire the skill and technique but they don't hold my interest long. I appreciate a good photo much more.

I do love to try and paint with that level of skill however.

Also I just love a painting that has a lot of texture and still has the pop of photo-realism--but that's just a matter of personal taste.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:29 AM
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

Not really. I see where you're coming from that it may lack expression with the way a lot of artist do it, but I do Surreal work, which is made according to my thoughts, dreams, views, etc. I just use photo-realism as technique to make them look even more tripped out and amazing.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:51 AM
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

Some photorealism is pretty powerful, but most is pretty boring. I guess the same is true of every artistic approach to a subject, though.

I think strong photorealism involves abstraction that goes "beyond real". Like all art if it brings you into an unexpected relationship, it'll make your novelty-sensors happy.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:55 AM
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

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I scream inside a little when I hear that. I'm someone focusing on making my Surreal paintings photo-realistic, which I consider very creative. I think photo-realism is very fascinating. To make a painting not look like a painting is amazing to me. What is it that people have against photo-realism? They say "What's the point if you're just going to make it look like a picture?".

You're arguing apples and oranges, though, since if you're painting subjects that don't exist outside your head, then they can't be photographed, and so there's as much reason to try for serious realism, as there is not to.
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

I guess I'd do photorealism if I could! And my explanation for doing it, "Because I can!" I admire it but I cannot do it.
On the other hand I greatly enjoy some of the stuff I can do but not without thinking, "I wish it looked more real"..... and then I tell myself to take a picture.
I definitely like the stuff I can do but I'm never going to give up wishing that I were able to do something else a different way!
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:39 AM
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

I just read something that called photorealism the "virtuosity of rendering." That seems apt. Having an awesome technical skill is always "good" for an artist who wants to master their "craft." Maybe it becomes sort of a fun challenge for the artist or provides a feeling of pride if you can do it well, but I would ask...what does the viewer get from it? I suppose they can say, "Wow Artist, your skills are amazing" and then when they walk away, they walk away with...what exactly?

Personally, I'm looking for something more "soulful" and frankly, this style just isn't it. All surface, no depth.
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

Like others here, if I COULD draw and paint photo-realistic stuff, I might do it, but ..... it really wouldn't mean much to me. To be able to do so would mean the sky is the limit for me as an artist.
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I just read something that called photorealism the "virtuosity of rendering." That seems apt. Having an awesome technical skill is always "good" for an artist who wants to master their "craft." Maybe it becomes sort of a fun challenge for the artist or provides a feeling of pride if you can do it well, but I would ask...what does the viewer get from it? I suppose they can say, "Wow Artist, your skills are amazing" and then when they walk away, they walk away with...what exactly?

Personally, I'm looking for something more "soulful" and frankly, this style just isn't it. All surface, no depth.

But, is it really "style", or subject matter? There are works by Vermeer, Ingres, Van Eyck, and even Rembrandt, that appear quite realistic. There are numerous centuries-old still life paintings that appear extremely real (and, if they'd been painted less than one hundred fifty years ago, would surely seem to have been heavily influenced by photography.)

Ad yet, these paintings avoid the "shallowness" that many of us perceive in contemporary "photorealistic" paintings.

I do not believe that the greater the level of technical skill one evinces, the less "emotional content" one's works can exude.

I think many artists focus more on one than the other, but I don't think there's any reason to assume this is by necessity.

There are plenty of artists--Dali, Parrish, Caravaggio, Leighton, Nerdrum, etc.--whose work conveys both formidable skill, and "deeper meaning"...

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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

Reality is not in the photo realism.

But surreal isn't reality.
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

The thing is, realism is popular and it sells so what more could you want.

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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

photo realism is fabulous when mixed with surrealism!

the first piece on this page is a good example of such ... i'm pretty sure it's digital work, but no matter, it's imaginative, well done stuff

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Old 10-02-2012, 07:55 PM
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

For the most part, you guys are right that what I'm doing isn't like taking a picture, because it's in my mind. Didn't think of it that way.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:28 PM
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Re: "What's the point of photo-realism, when you can take a picture of it?"

I think there may be some misunderstanding of the type of skill that goes into much of photorealist painting. Witness the working methods of Yigal Ozeri, who does photorealist paintings of girls outdoors.
He takes HD photographs of the girls outdoors, just as he wants for the painting, enlarges the photos to the full size of the intended painting and copies all of it very exactly square inch next to square inch. As the photos are his only model at that point, he makes sure he copies all the photographic quirks and depth of field characteristics. When he is finished he has a more or less complete transfer of the same-size photograph to a visually equivalent painted copy. The size is usually 40 x 50 inches or so, to make the transfer easier. Google image search Yigal Ozeri for some photos of his working setup.

I think the phrase, "level of skill" is very much misplaced here, unless you think copying photos this way involves a great deal of skill. One day soon someone may line up such works with their accompanying photo enlargement sources, as well as the work the artists were able to do without photos, and a real re-assessment would occur of what skill actually goes into this kind of painting.

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