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Old 08-08-2003, 04:06 PM
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Best Landscape books

What do you think are the best landscape books?

I got a couple in the mail today from amazon.com.

I got an anatomy of trees book by Rex Vicat Cole. It looks really good. 350 pages packed full of info and great illustrations. It looks like the only book I'll ever need to read about drawing & painting trees. I like Cole's book on Perspective, which I've read half of so far. I wish he had written a book on EVERY subject in art because he is awesome.

The other book is Carlson's Guide to landscape painting by John Carlson. I got the book because it got very good reviews on Amazon.com. But it looks like a mediocre book or worse. The paintings & illustrations don't look very good. It's only 144 pages. The text is in large, widespace print. It doesn't look very informative. I have a bad feeling about this book. It looks like the reviewers were too generous with it on Amazon.com. I hate how the reviewers on Amazon.com almost always give 4 or 5 stars and rave reviews, then I wind up buying books that really aren't very good.
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Old 08-08-2003, 06:19 PM
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I like Kevin MacPhersone .. Fill Your Oil Paintings With Light ..
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Old 08-08-2003, 06:24 PM
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I like "Expressing the Visual Language of the Landscape" because it features a bunch of different artists explaining how they go about it.

In fact, I don't think Matt Smith is featured in or has a book of his own. He's in here and it's great IMHO

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Old 08-08-2003, 07:41 PM
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Alla Prima by Richard Schmid is one of the best.

A Light Touch -Successful Painting in Oils by David Curtis.

Gruppe on Color by Emile Gruppe

Although none are singularly focused on landscape, each uses it for a platform and offers valuable insight as they cover varying aspects of painting.
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I've now read some parts of the book by John Carlson, and it really IS bad. The book is full of emotional and philosophical ramblings. It has very little, if anything, that is helpful and practical or informative. This is such a stupid book. I feel so ripped off. Eight reviewers said it was a great book on Amazon.com. They said it's a "must have." I say it's a "must not buy!" What a waste of money.

DON'T TRUST THE BOOK REVIEWS ON AMAZON.COM!!!
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1. Quillers book…Colour Choices

2. Carlson book on the nuts and bolts of the landscape. [Carlson's Guide to Landscape Painting] by John F. Carlson

Two of the great books on the basics...
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Old 08-13-2003, 10:02 AM
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Though the Carlson book has some good points, I agree that it is overly wordy and there are better books out there.
These include Kevin Mcpherson's and definitely "Alla Prima" by Richard Schmid which, in my opinion, is simply the best book on oil painting technique ever written.
Another very good author is Paul Strisik he published two books on landscape painting (actually the later one just updated the earlier book). I believe they are out of print, but you can probably find them online.
Finally, two other interesting books are Ted Goerschner's "Oil Painting, the Workshop Experience" and John Stobart's "The Pleasure of outdoor painting"
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Carlson Reference

My last en plein eire instructor recommended the Carlson book. In a course of study, the Carlson book is well suited. Otherwise, the book would have gone by the wayside for me. It truly is a good book. Had it not been for the accomplished artist gleening "the forest for the trees," from the book, my experience would have been lacklustered. Give the book a chance, even Kevin MacPherson recommends the book.
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The other book is Carlson's Guide to landscape painting by John Carlson. I got the book because it got very good reviews on Amazon.com. But it looks like a mediocre book or worse. The paintings & illustrations don't look very good. It's only 144 pages. The text is in large, widespace print. It doesn't look very informative. I have a bad feeling about this book.

I think sometimes what we extract from a book is relative to what we are indeed looking for at a specific time in our growth and such.

I too own John Carlson's book on landscape painting.

I perhaps enjoy it for different reasons. You'll note it was first copyright in 1929.

Of course...modernism, technology, coursework that studies how to communicate and reach readers that has been developed to the n'th degree...these have all happened since John's day.

The thing though...is that John is part of that early American legacy and history of painting.

Heck...color photograph was just coming into its own when I was in high school...and my graduation picture was yet black and white. That was in 1972...and this book done in 1929 is of course more or less going to show black and whites. To me, that is part of the charm.

What we get from Carlson is a look into the mind and thru the eyes of the original American landscape painters and teachers. As a landscape plein airist, alla primist and art educator I found this quite interesting indeed. John....is our predecessor, and a pioneer. John worked with the Student Art League in New York with Frank DuMond...and earned many distinctions at a time also of the popularity of the Cape Cod School, and the Buck County school in Pennsylvania.

I found many things he has shared useful, and insightful. Further...we have the advantage of paintings done in that era still around today to see if things stack up.

For example, John saw no need because of using oil of copal, that as soon as the painting was indeed dry to touch it couldn't be final varnished right away. Thus...a simple thing would be to look at his canvases and those of his students to see now if 80 years later they show signs of holding up or cracking & yellowing.

My interests have now come to seek and prefer the older out of date books for what gems they might provide, and to firm up that sense of connectedness I now have with the past.

I own Charles Hawthorne's book... a few others, and am hoping to add one by Edgar Payne...Emile Gruppe...and so forth.

Again...it is relative to one's needs...and so I hope you'll find something from it to feel positive once you've had a good opportunity to look thru it.
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Old 08-14-2003, 05:05 PM
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I've now read some parts of the book by John Carlson, and it really IS bad. The book is full of emotional and philosophical ramblings. It has very little, if anything, that is helpful and practical or informative. This is such a stupid book. I feel so ripped off. Eight reviewers said it was a great book on Amazon.com. They said it's a "must have." I say it's a "must not buy!" What a waste of money.

DON'T TRUST THE BOOK REVIEWS ON AMAZON.COM!!!

I'm working on a book myself...the first a cd rom version.

In addition to my demo's on painting, I will have a section on the challenges and struggles..the head trips and all those emotional philosophical ramblings. I get constant feedback that it is my ramblings often here on WC that many artists actually appreciate. Creating art and working to survive is tough business, and we do this for the most part in isolation. Years of tenacity and those that eventually reach success rarely do so because of technical development alone, but because of the emotional philosophical things they have long held to.

IMHO...

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Old 08-14-2003, 05:09 PM
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Though the Carlson book has some good points, I agree that it is overly wordy and there are better books out there.

Brad M

again...this is relative to one's needs....but I can assure you, the artist that learns to wear brass underwear holds more confidence and drive than what shows up at the end of his brush.

I don't think it has to come down to either or. One patiently acquires and builds up their resource library. It can certainly be MacPherson and Strisik's books as do I have...but show me one that is not concerned with the wrestlings of the mind and I'll probably show you one that has not been painting for 25-40 years professionally. That's a generalization...but I think one that is true. I can guarantee you that Schmid has a personal sense of connection with great painters of the past and a humble respect.

Who likes to read history books most? Tends to be those that served in the military during conflict and such reading gives them a sense of connection to others of like experiences in the past.

For fun...keep in mind the question of wondering with childlike innocence what books those we all admire for their talents themselves probably have on their bookshelves! There is something to be learned and extracted from that...I can assure you.

again...just MHO.

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I recently bought "Carlson's Guide to landscape painting by John Carlson", and at first glance, I was disappointed. After reading it, I sure changed my mind, as this book has giving me much to consider for my own landscape paintings. This book will definitely be reread and studied. After reading this book, I perceive trees, clouds and colors much differently. Yax
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Kevin Macpherson's book, "Fill your Oil Paintings with Light and Color" and Ted Goerschner's "Oil Painting:The Workshop Experience" are among my favorites. The former, because it helped me understand the importance of painting shapes rather than objects, and the latter because I really enjoy Goerschner's approach to achieving clean, bright color.

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Personally, I learned a lot from Carlson's book when I read a library copy 30 years ago. I learned a lot more this year when I finally bought a copy and read it twice more.
Macpherson's book was a real eye-opener for me. Reading it over and over last year gave my work much more "looseness" and a balanced sense of color.
I am waiting patiently for Larry's CD book. Reading and studying his demonstrations has provided a look over the shoulder of an accomplished artist. He keeps no secrets. He also inspires with his conversations.
I do not think there is a really bad art book. You learn something from each one you spend the time with.

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...show me one that is not concerned with the wrestlings of the mind and I'll probably show you one that has not been painting for 25-40 years professionally. That's a generalization...but I think one that is true. I can guarantee you that Schmid has a personal sense of connection with great painters of the past and a humble respect...
Schmid's sense of connection and respect for other painters has nothing to do with clouding a message being wordy and emotional. One of Schmid's strongest virtues is keeping such digressions as "the wrestlings of the mind" to a minimum. He acknowledges that artists naturally spend some time struggling with deeper aspects of creativity but he does not take advantage of the bully pulpit in his books and videos. He chooses to focus on practical information. Emotion is part of the process but he does not indulge in emotion as he describes his painting technique. As a result, his message is very clear.
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...Who likes to read history books most? Tends to be those that served in the military during conflict...
How have you derived this information?

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