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Old 08-21-2012, 01:40 PM
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Re: Restricted Palette for Plein Air painting

That is not on.
If I see your activities , it seems that I see in a mirror.
Besides the fact that I can not playing or writing music .( just a barrel organ )
I think some does not understand the soul of this statement .
It further discuss seems useless.
Anyway thanks for the attention.
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Drink away Jan...!
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You can go to the extream of using the printers pallette, Cyan (blue), Magenta (red) and a bright yellow. Then add either white or neutral black depending upon choice of watercolors or oils. However, you can not actually mix all colors from this, thats a myth. I used this as a watercolor palette for a couple of years and the colors I could mix got boring. Lots of painters use warm and cool versions of these three colors as a six color palette. They also add white or black and can mix a more complete set of colors. Some also add two greens. As for me, today I carry a lot of colors and have even more in the car.
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As for me, today I carry a lot of colors and have even more in the car.
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what's funny...I encourage and teach a lot on the limited palette, strategies for using it...and this past fall, October actually...was in a local park (a town of 1600 in the northwoods mind you) and a restaurant owner nearby comes walking across the street toward me with this large cardboard box in his arms. Motions for me to open my arms and drops this heavy thing on me...then motions he'll be right back.

I go to the back of my pickup where my tailgate is down, open the top of the box and a gazillion tubes of oil paint are there. He comes back with a wooden pochade box full of more paint. Says he used to paint, has no more time, figured I could use these. I'd say easily $900 or more of paint, every color imaginable.

so...I'm playing myself!!!
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:28 PM
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Re: Restricted Palette for Plein Air painting

I think it is great to change up or limit your palette. Especially if you just use a list of colors a teacher gave you, that contains every generic color under the sun. This is the palette I use most of the time, and throw a color in here or there as needed.

Yellow Ocher
Venetian red
Ultra blue
Prussian Blue
Black or Raw umber
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That's worth remembering, I've got all the colours except Venetian red.
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Old 08-28-2012, 08:05 AM
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According to Van Gogh, all colors of nature can be made ​​by mixing three colors:
-mid-Cadmium Yellow
-alizarin-red
-prussian-blue
He also warned of the wrong use of white.
I have tested and have about 80 colors mixed.
Now I must admit that it is not always easy and you have to watch for dirty colors.
After research I came to the conclusion that this pallet is commonly used by landscape painters:
-lemon yellow
- middle cadmium yellow
- yellow ocher
- burned umber
-vermilion-light
-alizarin-red
-emerald green
-ultra blue
-cobalt-blue
-prussian-blue
-zinc white
It is better to lighten a color to add a little bit of the next color before using white.
e.g.: If you want to lighten cadmium yellow middle, add some lemon yellow at first (this preserve the color strength) and then white.
My experience teaches me that you still need different colors ,such as different yellows, different blue's and different red's.
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I've used all the above colours you mentioned. The one I find hard to handle is emerald green. It's so powerful is can dominate a painting if not used with care.
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Re: Restricted Palette for Plein Air painting

The comments already made concerning the time-saving of premixing warm and cool mixtures of oil paint for plein air make sense to me (though I've never painted in oils).

Would a similar pre-painting mixing be of value in watercolor? Perhaps even to the extent of starting out with large underlying washes of cool and warm greys (saving the ultimate white spaces as white)? Does anyone work this way? Any time-saving advantages?
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Re: Restricted Palette for Plein Air painting

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The comments already made concerning the time-saving of premixing warm and cool mixtures of oil paint for plein air make sense to me (though I've never painted in oils).

Would a similar pre-painting mixing be of value in watercolor? Perhaps even to the extent of starting out with large underlying washes of cool and warm greys (saving the ultimate white spaces as white)? Does anyone work this way? Any time-saving advantages?

That's an interesting concept. I was an inveterate watercolourist before turning to oils recently. I always premixed large puddles of my three primaries before putting brush to paper, but never the greys.

One of my main aims was to keep my colours clean so I would be concerned about making too much mud if I had unfettered access to premixes with more than a couple of colours. I often do an underwash of colour, but if it consisted of pre mixed greys it is possible that the transparent nature of watercolour would result in a finished painting suitable for a bathing hippopotamus.
I do think, however, that many artists make beautiful paintings with more subtle colours than I end up with, and that grey in all it's guises is a very frequent colour in our typically grey atmosphere in Britain. (I do tend to stay inside on grey days and do other things, perhaps that is another habit I should change)

I find in oil painting (for me) my colour mixing regime is much more deliberate than it ever was in watercolours, which consisted of a splodge of this a drop of that (actually with more consideration than that sounds-but you get the idea?) but with the overriding concept of keeping it 'clean'.

I have promised myself a year of exclusively oils so that I give myself chance to get a handle on it, and am resisting the temptation to take out my watercolours, but I await with interest to see what others feel about it as an idea.
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Re: Restricted Palette for Plein Air painting

Watercolour is a totally different medium like oil.
This also requires a very different approach.
Although several great masters start with an underpainting.But from light to dark. ( In oil we work from dark to light )
You should take a look at the method of Alvaro Castagnet, Joseph Zbukvic and Herman Pekel.
I think when you see these gentlemen their method that your questions are answered...........................jan
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