June 30 Paintalong - Questions, comments, paintings relating to JUNE 30

[paintncook]

Originally Posted by Improv

I have a table saw if that helps!!!

Cheers

Doug (Ever the Helpful One!)

As for me, I don't really try to duplicate Johannes' ratio to the letter (or is it to the number?). I just use what I have and go from there, maybe elongating something here and there in the drawing to make it fit.
You are right about standard sizes, otherwise, nonstandard costs more to get framed.
Kathy

[chalet_dor]

Originally Posted by sherrysherman

LOL! Do you know how many people - and probably especially artist-types - did not retain first-year algebra beyond the final exam (or not even that long)? And how many artists have spent decades trying to FORGET that year?

For me, I tend to like "standard" sizes because they're cheaper to frame.

Yes they sure are. So that means I will never buy a painting again unless it needs no frame, is already framed or a standard size. dor)

[Shadow_2010]

I'm getting a headache from all this math But I love all the different explanations. Has Jo told us yet what watercolor paper weight he will use?
Sherry thanks for keeping all these threads separate, you're terrific. Peggysue1971 Moab, UT

[Sgourlayart]

Originally Posted by dor_

Yes they sure are. So that means I will never buy a painting again unless it needs no frame, is already framed or a standard size. dor)

Dors, I hate to tell you this, but ratios and short division are taught in grade school and there is no algebra involved. You need to have the grandkids come over; you help them with painting, and they help you with math. I'm like Kathy and Doug; I paint on what I've got and since I also have a table saw, I cut it down or I just make my own frame. Dors, I want to make sure you are not breathing in the vapors from all that roasted walnut oil; you're not are you? Just kidding, Stu.

[paintncook]

Originally Posted by Sgourlayart

Dors, I hate to tell you this, but ratios and short division are taught in grade school and there is no algebra involved. You need to have the grandkids come over; you help them with painting, and they help you with math. I'm like Kathy and Doug; I paint on what I've got and since I also have a table saw, I cut it down or I just make my own frame. Dors, I want to make sure you are not breathing in the vapors from all that roasted walnut oil; you're not are you? Just kidding, Stu.

Haha, leave it to me to make a ratio problem into an algebra problem with X as the unknown. It really is a simple thing, but my explanation of it made it sound complicated. I was just trying to show that it really was easy to figure out once you had the size of one side in mind and knew the ratio involved.
Personally, I don't think the size you work on needs to be an absolute and I adjust the drawing to fit the size. As long as it isn't dramatically off from what Johannes is using, it works. Kathy

[Shadow_2010]

OK one last math question...when someone says they will be using an 18x24 or 5x6 etc is it the first or second number that is a side? how do you tell if it is portrait or landscape orientation? Will Jo's painting be taller rather than wider? or will it be...you get the idea right???

I got an email from Jo, on the watercolor weight he is using 140lb paper.
see you tomorrow!
peggysue1971

[Sgourlayart]

Originally Posted by Shadow_2010

OK one last math question...when someone says they will be using an 18x24 or 5x6 etc is it the first or second number that is a side? how do you tell if it is portrait or landscape orientation? Will Jo's painting be taller rather than wider? or will it be...you get the idea right???

I got an email from Jo, on the watercolor weight he is using 140lb paper.
see you tomorrow!
peggysue1971

Not really a math question at all. Standard for photography, art and computer printers is HEIGHT:WIDTH, so 18 by 24 is 18" is height and 24" is width or "landscape format" 3:4 ratio. 24" by 18" would be 24" high by 18" wide or "portrait format" or 4:3 ratio.
So, the answer to you question is that Jo's painting will be wider that tall or in landscape format. Your other clue is the posted sketch; it is wider than tall. So you can even get your sketch in before the class. Stu

[Sgourlayart]

Originally Posted by paintncook

Haha, leave it to me to make a ratio problem into an algebra problem with X as the unknown. It really is a simple thing, but my explanation of it made it sound complicated. I was just trying to show that it really was easy to figure out once you had the size of one side in mind and knew the ratio involved.
Personally, I don't think the size you work on needs to be an absolute and I adjust the drawing to fit the size. As long as it isn't dramatically off from what Johannes is using, it works. Kathy

Sorry Kathy, I thought that was Dors, not you with the equations (kind of typical for a scientist). Sherry is the one with the best solution, she just posted all the sizes for the ratio. I get a little hung up myself with 11" by 14" because you can't divide 11 by anything evenly, so I just fudge it and call it a 3:4 ratio, just like 9" by 12" or 12" by 16". Also, I sometimes just crop off my photo reference by using a calculator to adjust the final photo to the ratio I want for my canvas; I never had a calculator in high school or college (because they hadn't been invented yet), but I had slide rules. So, who needs math for art anyway? Just fudge a little and use your artistic license. Stu

[paintncook]

Originally Posted by Sgourlayart

Sorry Kathy, I thought that was Dors, not you with the equations (kind of typical for a scientist). Sherry is the one with the best solution, she just posted all the sizes for the ratio. I get a little hung up myself with 11" by 14" because you can't divide 11 by anything evenly, so I just fudge it and call it a 3:4 ratio, just like 9" by 12" or 12" by 16". Also, I sometimes just crop off my photo reference by using a calculator to adjust the final photo to the ratio I want for my canvas; I never had a calculator in high school or college (because they hadn't been invented yet), but I had slide rules. So, who needs math for art anyway? Just fudge a little and use your artistic license. Stu

I see we are from the same era. I didn't have calculators - not until grad school anyway - and used the trusty slide rule also. kathy

[Amandine]

Looks like you've skipped my question Jo. So here it is again. Please ...

Originally Posted by Amandine

After looking at your drawing for June 30th paint along Jo, I find it very detailed. It's more than just a sketch. Is it so detailed because the demo is in watercolor ? Would you do a simpler sketch if you would paint in oil ? May 27th (pastel) was more kind of a sketch but June 3rd (wc) was also detailed. Does the medium influence the drawing you do ?

Easier to answer than all this algebra debate

[EdDyerFineArt]

Why would anyone want to figure out canvas sizes with algebraic ratios is a waste of time/effort. Have you had a non-standard(customed) painting framed by a framer latelly? You'll spend many times more for then framing with standard sizes. A Renaissance man I'm not.

[Improv]

Originally Posted by EdDyerFineArt

Why would anyone want to figure out canvas sizes with algebraic ratios is a waste of time/effort. Have you had a non-standard(customed) painting framed by a framer latelly? You'll spend many times more for then framing with standard sizes. A Renaissance man I'm not.

Well said, Ed. And welcome to Wet Canvas!

For those not familiar with Ed's work, here's a link to his web site:

http://eddyerartist.com/

[Pinklady219]

Here is my paint-along with Joe. Once I took a picture of it, I see that my wheel doesn't look round (it is though). The shadow might need darkening. I really loved this class. Please critique Joe. Thank you big time!! Carol

[paintncook]

Originally Posted by EdDyerFineArt

Why would anyone want to figure out canvas sizes with algebraic ratios is a waste of time/effort. Have you had a non-standard(customed) painting framed by a framer latelly? You'll spend many times more for then framing with standard sizes. A Renaissance man I'm not.

Although I was the one explaining how to figure these things out, I would never bother with it. I use standard sizes, although I know a framer who will custom frame for a very reasonable price. My dad made frames for my mother ages ago. She stretched her own canvas, but, since my dad made the frames, sizes were of no concern for her. I don't believe in overthinking these things, just go with a standard size. I worry more about whether to use landscape or portrait format. Kathy

[hewill4giveu]

Thats funny i posted the first version and it disappeared oh well. Here is the revised version. As i said on the first post for me to finish a whole painting in one day is a miracle in itself. I usually take three or four days. Why im so behind. So im happy love these type classes.