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Thanks!

Before attaching the hooks & oiling it weighs 2# 14.5 oz.
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Gee Libby it sure looks nice. Here are a few thoughts: The two unfolding wings will spill any contents when opened. You might be better off with drawers. On the other hand perhaps you could have covers over the side boxes and hinge them to fold out. I might have used a window sash latch instead of that hook and eye setup. Or maybe even done that with magnets. On the underside you could put one of those plates Judson's sells that allow it to be placed on a photography tripods head.
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Thanks Dave. I haven't added the tripod hooks or the handle yet. Agreed on the hook & eye deal, just couldn't find anything that looked good. Thanks for mentioning the window sash latch/lock, look like it might work. I'll also be aware of the spill potential when opening. Thanks.
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Good luck with yours!

thanks! it's almost done, i'll post up some pics if i remember yours is looking good!
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Done! I made a blog post about it here with more pictures!

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these are great photos of this on your blog.. very nice.

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Eric, beautifully made box, with some nice, thoughtful personalized additions to the original. I like the "palette ledge" and your choice of oak: the extra hardness is worth the minimal increase in weight. I positioned the hinges on the outside and used poplar, unlike your oak. The box has held up well to heavy use for 2 1/2 years but the hinge screws are starting to pull a little loose. In retrospect, I'd choose a heavier, harder wood like oak instead of poplar.

From field experience I would suggest two minor modifications to the upright panel holder.

1. Replace the bolt-and-nut assembly with either a t-knob or a drawer knob. You don't have to use pliers to make height adjustments and you can still get the sliders very tight because the knob gives you torque.

2. Make the panel-holder sliders 6" long instead of 1 1/2." With larger panels (even an 11x14) and the smaller sliders, when you're painting on the lateral edges of the panel with any pressure it tends to torque out of the holder. When transporting you can rotate the sliders to lie flat against the panel holder. Epoxy all the bolts into the sliders, of course.

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Again. a beautifully made box. Nice woodworking--enjoy getting it stained and colorful!
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I just noticed on your blog that one of the panel carriers is not a standard size: is that for a golden ratio panel, perchance?
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Rinthe it's a beauty, job well done. Bet you can't wait to get out and use it.


I finally solved the problem w/the panel holder....thought I wouldn't have one after breaking my spare & briefly considered ordering one and having it overnighted to the workshop in NH by Sat. AM, but I couldn't bring myself to fork over something like $130 on what I can make for $10. Anyway, enough whining , I'll post pictures as soon as I can, right now there's tons of stuff to do and daylight's tickin' away.
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tonalist: thank you sir!

wsrea: thank you so much for the suggestions! I think you're right about making the panel holders longer, very good idea. And I actually already have t-knobs attached to the panel holder sliders, you can see from the 5th image on my blog ;p And good to hear it was worth getting the harder wood. I thought this thing was going to last me awhile, might as well spend a little more for the stronger wood. About the wet panel holders, they're both standard.. I think. 11x14" and 16x20", aren't these standard sizes? haha i'm not too sure actually.

libby2: thanks! yea I really can't wait! I'm just waiting for this backpack from amazon to arrive. I tried the backpack at REI, and it fits all of my painting crap, including that palette. Tripod/easel could be strapped to the top or the sides of it. It's about $20 cheaper on amazon. Good luck with yours!!
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Re: Need opinions on Pochade Box

I could not help to add my two cents. Another way to stabilize your panel would be to add supports at the back of your horizontal holders, and maybe move your quick release plate adaptor a little higher from the bottom end. I made mine with 2 insert adaptors after determining the smallest board I will be using. To get a better grip, I glued strips of non skid mat on the inside surface of the holders.
Although mine is a solid piece of wood, routed, I'm sure it could be done with the glued version. As for extra height adjustment you could always use the centre column.
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cgonzaga: oh man you guys are brilliant. thanks for the tips!
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Neat stuff. I've made much of my own plein air equipment and I always enjoy seeing what others are doing.
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Been a while, haven’t posted much, since this thread and the workshop. Personal things have been going on, everything better now and I hope all will be back to normal soon.

The workshop was fabulous, it was a Stapleton Kearns workshop in NH. I learned a lot even though I didn’t come away with any good paintings. As always the knowledge given percolates away in my brain’s back burner and is absorbed. That man is full of knowledge.

In the weird news dept, Stape looks just like my father. Couldn’t tell from his blog pictures which is good because I wouldn’t have gone, and I’d have missed out on this wonderful experience. But sitting at the table over breakfast that first morning, I realized I was looking at my father! Didn’t sound like him, but the face, mouth, teeth, and… the little gestures he does with his mouth… looked just like my father. But it didn’t freak me out like I thought it would, his personality & voice were different so it turned out to be OK. Just kind of weird. I didn’t say anything to him about it, just left it alone, didn’t want to open that dark can of worms.

My, I’ll call it “pochade box”, since french mistress conjures up a different image to someone who doesn’t paint , worked out. What I discovered I liked even better was the giant palette that I attached to the platform hooks. Having the platform hooks as a separate unit made it possible to attach palettes of different sizes by themselves if I want, or to use the pochade box. Who knew the thing would be so handy? What turned out to be a complete disaster from the moment of set-up on the first day was my canvas holder. Had it not been for the kindness of one of the participants (who it turns out makes beautiful pochade boxes http://www.all-in-oneeasel.com/oil-easels.html), my entire workshop would have been ruined. Steven just happened to have packed a tool kit, he pulled out C-clamps, and clamped my canvas holder to tripod. He explained to me that I’d inserted the t-nut backwards. Which made perfect sense to me as to why I could never get the thing to work right. All along I was thinking it was just slipperiness and needing a piece of leather between the wood and tripod mount. He was so nice, taking the time to look at it and explain it to me as he clamped it together. (I saw two of his boxes in action, they were outstanding, beautifully built, lightweight, thin….and as soon as I can afford it, I’m getting one)

So after all my rambling, here’s my photo’s:
Set-up, with new & improved canvas holder




Close up of box, it weighs 4#:



Open. I need to fix it so the side boxes lay horizontally:




How it’s attached to the base/platform hooks. It’s important to make the holes in the base (platform hooks) the next size up than the screws, otherwise it’s a fight to get the box off.




The back of my new & improved canvas holder. I discovered that attaching it at the bottom
(you can still see the screw holes from the original placement) put the canvas too high for me (I’m 5’5’’). Without thinking it through, I put the t-nut attachment in the center, which really isn’t ideal for where the pochade box & palette sit. If I were to do it again, I’d lower it a few inches.:



To be con't in next post.
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Part two:

Platform hooks aka base. Thing’s pretty heavy, made from 1/2” ply with an addition of 1/4” baltic ply (the red section) laminated & nailed on. I’m thinking of getting some thinner baltic ply and making another so it won’t be a backpack weight killer.




Aaah, my beloved baltic ply palette. 1/4” - 12” x 24”. A piece of thin “fun foam” placed between platform hooks and palette, then held together with bungee cords front to back,
from outside of hook to outside of the other hook.




This is the cool thing about having the platform base/hooks separate. I discovered that
I could attach my glass palette to it! This 16 x 20 piece of tempered glass is firmly attached,
not going anywhere. The piece of thin fun foam between it and the
base makes them one piece & prevents any slippage, bungee cords hold them
together. My “palette” is a cheap Wallyworld chopping board flipped over to the smooth side.





With some adjustments it fits my little easel!




My “adjustment” spacers made from Premo Sculpy clay & baked. I’ve since put in nails
to hold the little guys in place. They’re needed to keep the palette base level since the
legs on this easel are thinner than the legs on my tripod.





What the little spacers look like.




That's it so far, probably improvements and adjustments as time goes
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