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Old 03-10-2012, 09:41 PM
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Viridian Green

I'm having a hard time finding Viridian here in Brasil. I have limited access to W&N and Maimeri Classico, the latter of which doesn't seem to make viridian. Any idea what Maimeri's closest color is to viridian?

Also, anyone know any thing about Van Gogh paints or Rowney? I've heard good things about Van Gogh, but I'm not familiar with them. I've never heard of Rowney.

Also finding it difficult to find Raw Sienna, but at least that exists in some capacity here; I just need to find it.

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Old 03-10-2012, 10:15 PM
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Re: Viridian Green

I was lucky enough to scoop up some Rowney Artist's paint for 75% off last December. I highly recommend them. They have a great consistency and I swore never to use the student version (Georgian) or any other student grade paint after I used these. I rate them higher than WN but that's just me.
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Re: Viridian Green

I've had some Van Gogh paints and found them ok but a touch oily for my liking (could be they spent too long on the shelf before I bought them). They seem to be more popular in the US than here in Australia, so better comment might come from there.
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Old 03-11-2012, 04:39 AM
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Re: Viridian Green

You may want to consider Pthalo Green. W&N manufacture it under 'Winsor Green'.

From Dick Blick's website(dickblick.com):
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Phthalo Green is considered a very good alternative to Viridian because it is intense and mixes well and can be used to emphasize mineral colors in various tints. However, its tinting strength is very high, so it can overpower other colors. This pigment most closely resembles the discontinued and toxic Verdigris.
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Re: Viridian Green

Re: phthalocyanine green -- there are a couple of shades

Closest to viridian (and sold with that name or "viridian hue" by several manufacturers) is phthalo green, blue shade. In the W&N Artisan line, it's simply "phthalo green blue shade."
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Re: Viridian Green

Thanks folks. I figured phthalo green was the alternative, but wasn't sure. Also wasn't sure if phthalo green was in fact the same as phthalocyanine. It seemed obvious that it should be, but wanted to be sure.

I gather from Sandman's comment that maybe Viridian isn't made by anyone anymore. Is this true? Not speaking of watercolors, etc, but oil.
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Re: Viridian Green

Viridian seems to be a rather expensive pigment and possibly for that reason is not included in many student grade paints.

Perhaps your shop in Brasil isn't getting the full line of W&N, because they do have Viridian in both their student line (Winton) and the artist grade. They also have a Viridian Hue - which is Phthalo Green pigment.

Maimeri Classico does not have a Viridian as you mentioned, but does have a Phthalo Green.

Van Gogh student grade oils has a Viridian Hue consisting of Phthalo Green and Brown Ochre.

Georgian also has a Viridian Hue that is Phthalo Green.

Probably every or nearly every artist grade line has a true Viridian, which is pigment PG18. One way to get the pigment information, is to go to Dick Blick's website. If you click on the item no. of any individual tube color, you get pigment information and a color swatch.

http://www.dickblick.com/categories/oilpainting/

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Re: Viridian Green

I've never used Rowney paints.. I have used Van Gogh in the past and didn't mind them at all.. although I've read that Van Gogh are a student grade and Rembrant is the artist grade.
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Don: Thanks for that link, really helpful
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BLICK is offereing 40% off WN - one of the best artist brands you could ever buy.....
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Re: Viridian Green

Sennelier still sell Viridian in their artist range. Blick is not always the cheapest supplier especially after postage is added, look around if you are going to buy by post (if you search Google you will find the major sellers until you get to page three or so, after that you need to look for best price).
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Re: Viridian Green

In the brands I've used, I find the pthalo green (BS) is a bit greener than the true viridian. Brands differ but phthalo is so much stronger and cheaper than virdian it would be well worth a bit of side by side mixing to approximate viridian.
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Re: Viridian Green

Phthalo Green is quite different when mixed with white, Viridian (at least in the case of the Sennelier product) gives a turquoise when mixed with white and is very strong in tint. Phthalo Green on the other hand moves to a paler green but I dont find it has quite the tinting power of Viridian. As always different manufacturers get quite different results so this only stands for the colours I'm using.
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Re: Viridian Green

Art Spectrum do a series 1 version of Viridian labelled 'Spectrum Viridian'. If you have a look at the swatches on the AS website it's probably the closest substitute for true viridian. I'll be trying it out next week when I run out of the overpriced pigment.
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Re: Viridian Green

Good to know about Van Gogh paints. Thanks!

And that´s a good link, thanks Don. It doesn´t help me much here in Brazil with regards with ordering, but it helps to make some decisions.
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