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Old 05-14-2001, 04:04 AM
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Having started painting on stretched canvas, I am about to take the advice of many of you and dismount!
I am not very thrilled with this piece. Not worth painting over, but not worth hanging either, so she will go on the coathanger DaveAcres suggested.
I think she looks very Picasso. I swear her features are just like that. I have done her in paint once before, and pastel too, but this time just ... well... eluded me.

I can see a zillion things wrong, but have no idea what to do with her.
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Old 05-14-2001, 04:30 AM
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i don't think the blue was a good choice for the background. it clashes with the red, and doesn't contrast with her face.

the blouse is pastey( you were trying for a pink?),,,but it stems largely from an issue with the blue.

i'm going to guess and say you weren't happy about where the head was going so you lost interest in the rest of the piece....{M}

"it's alright to be judgmental,,,,,,,,if you have taste"...MILT
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Old 05-14-2001, 04:38 AM
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Excellent guess.
That darned gal always seems to wear red!! Actually, it was sort of tie died.
I am learning a bit about avoiding reality too.
The cowboy from Saturday suffers from trying to paint the red background instead of being interested in the face.
I will promist to try to think more about the color choices I make instead of being tossed at the whim of the pose.
Thanks for checking in, Milt.
I want my next oil to be important. I am having trouble shifting from the way I have been thinking in pastel into oil, of all things. I am making mud...
I am going to post my last oil too.
Last up in the posts will be Joseph again and actually using BLACK!!
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Old 05-14-2001, 07:58 AM
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Hi Dj,

I think Milt is right. It's the head and face that matters to most of us. If you have worked on this from a photograph, could you please post the original for reference? May be, you could get better responses that way.

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Old 05-14-2001, 10:28 AM
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There's a lot that's really good here... Making the kneck area lighter than face, the sculptural (Picasso-esque)treatment of arms and hands, thick paint... I say don't give up! Keep it at the ready for moments of inspired dabbling...

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Old 05-14-2001, 11:30 AM
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i guess for me, cropping the head a bit aint so good in this piece and maybe usually isn't.
I think what I would try before I chucked it is to increase some contrast. Perhaps between the hair and the face. As well, contrast between edge qualities may help a bit. Again around the face perhaps a sharper edge may focus the viewer where you want.


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Old 05-14-2001, 04:06 PM
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The Head just doesn't go with the rest.

Some how your eye for her story at that time
wasn't there. Not everyone, everytime,
inspires it. Good show that you completed it

I've Never completed a piece that was what
I had in mind from the start. Sometimes its
much more powerful but most of the time NOT!

Ouch the ego takes a hit now and then.

Like they say, keep getting back on.

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Old 05-15-2001, 12:02 AM
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just go over and over with color relations in mind, the base painting is perfect.
anatomy fine.
spatially fine.
don't give up permanently on this child.
you could rest a while.
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Old 05-15-2001, 12:26 AM
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DJ, good of you to post what you consider a "failure" so we can see you're not perfect
But I have to say that many of its parts are quite beautiful.

Looks like the facial alignment is off a little, and the ear looks too far back. The lights on the shadow side of the face look too light to me. In fact, the contrast on the face and body seem a little anemic.

I just "finished" a commissioned portrait that I loathe, but had to stop somewhere, so I know how this feels. My sypmpathy.


"Paintings are never finished, only abandoned" (source unknown)
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Old 05-15-2001, 12:56 AM
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It's all been said by those above...strong points, weak points (though for you weak feels like a relative term). Seems to me that if you're not totally tired of this piece or when you feel refreshed, let your hair down and try stuff you'd never do on a 'serious' piece. Nothing to lose, right? Might release something new for you or could just be fun.

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