Sold on water mixable oils - Page 7

**!becca** · #91 07-24-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stapeliad

Doug, once again I believe a reminder is in order for you to interact in a polite and respectful way to other members.

Well, you might not see this note because I think I am already on your ignore list.

Quoted, just in case!

rwhiteley · #92 08-01-2012, 03:04 PM

As far as I know the main reason for water miscible oils (not water soluble) is to allow water cleanup. If you use water as a medium, you weaken the film. You should use other mediums which have also been made water miscible, as supplied by the WM makers.

Crystal1 · #93 08-01-2012, 04:02 PM

Water miscible oils, water mixable oils, and water soluble oils are all basically the same thing, just different manufacturers. Some of the brands say it is okay to mix with water for painting, although I have always had trouble when mixing water into the paints.

rwhiteley · #94 08-02-2012, 10:13 AM

Water in very small amounts is probably ok, but better to use the water mix able mediums designed for this medium

Navigator · #95 10-08-2012, 09:43 AM

This is my first post. I've only been painting for a year. I started with regular oils and have switched to MAX because of a local class where the instructor insists on using only water miscible oils. He uses poppy seed oil with the advice of the MAX people. He has us set up our palette and then put a drop of oil on each blob and then mix with a knife. I've only had one class so far and I'm not digging this method, plus he uses water as well. I experimented with these paints for a few weeks before the class anda I did not like the use of water for painting and I was using the oil only as a medium. Would really like to stick with these paints....

I'm looking for guidance on a recipe for medium. I seem to like to dip my brush in it often. With traditional oils, I used a 1/3 , 2/3 combination of linseed oil and turp - I don't remember any more which was which. I'm assuming it was 1/3 linseed. (can't find it in my notes).

I have not liked what happens when I use water while painting. Would SoySolve be considered a candidate to be mixed with the oil?

What is your recipe? Thanks in advance!

**DAK723** · #96 10-08-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Navigator

I'm looking for guidance on a recipe for medium. I seem to like to dip my brush in it often. With traditional oils, I used a 1/3 , 2/3 combination of linseed oil and turp - I don't remember any more which was which. I'm assuming it was 1/3 linseed. (can't find it in my notes).

I have not liked what happens when I use water while painting. Would SoySolve be considered a candidate to be mixed with the oil?

What is your recipe? Thanks in advance!

My recipe is to use no medium - that is the easiest and most chemically simple solution! But I realize that most people want their paint to be thinner and flow more easily off the brush.

If you are used to a combination of oil and solvent in your traditional oil use, then I would suggest the same for WMOs. Almost every WMO company sells two types of mediums - those that are 100% oil (like linseed oil) or combination mediums. Grumbacher sells one called Quick Dry that probably also includes driers. Here is a link to the Dick Blick website and their WMO mediums page:

http://www.dickblick.com/water-misci...diums/details/

Many folks here use M. Graham's Walnut Alkyd medium. It is a combination of oil and alkyds (and probably some driers) but has no solvent.

I guess one question I would have would be what do you dislike about using only an oil? Or is the poppy oil that you don't like? If that is the case, you could try a 100% oil medium, such as Grumbacher's Linseed Oil medium.

Don

Crystal1 · #97 10-08-2012, 03:25 PM

If you didn't like an alkyd in traditional oils, you probably won't like it in WMOs. I like just plain M. Graham Walnut Oil. You can also use Artisan's Thinner almost like a solvent, but it really slows the drying time.

DECiNERGY · #98 10-08-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal1

If you didn't like an alkyd in traditional oils, you probably won't like it in WMOs. I like just plain M. Graham Walnut Oil. You can also use Artisan's Thinner almost like a solvent, but it really slows the drying time.

• ARTISAN THINNER - IT SLOWS THE DRYING-TIME ?!?!? -> not by me ... ;-)
=> IF you don't take to much of it, only some (little) drops & not taken like 'normal' solvents like Turpentin (or in WMO water) ... !!!?!!!

MelissaShelly · #99 10-08-2012, 06:57 PM

Can you please clarify? Are these also known as miscible oils? I happen to have found samples of miscible oils as well as alkyds. The alkyds dry fast but are still mixed and cleaned with traditional solvents. The water soluble oils, from what I understand, dry as slowly as traditional oils but mix with water.

Can you speak to these 2 mediums as well as comparing them to regular acrylics? I am planning to go on an international trip soon and have to deal with the TSA; immigration and packing simplicity. I decided to try gouache!

I appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks so much,
Melissa

couturej · #**100** 10-09-2012, 07:58 AM

Water soluble oils, water miscible oils and water Mixable oils are all the same it is just different manufacturers refer to them differently.

Water Mixable oils drying time is comparable to traditional oils which gives more time to blend compared to acrylics that dry much faster. Paint on your palette won't dry quickly like acrylics.

Crystal1 · #**101** 10-10-2012, 11:21 AM

MelissaShelly: Sorry, nobody's gone into detail on this. Water miscible oils are much like traditional oils, and I can't really compare them to acrylics. Whether you can mix WMOS with water depends on the brand of WMOs that you have. All brands have their own mediums such as linseed oil. Some of us like to use them with Walnut Oil or Walnut Alkyd. If you'd like to let us know what brand you have, we can tell you what we usually use as a medium. All of us will probably use something different. Happy Painting!

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