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Old 08-30-2006, 08:41 AM
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

Traditional RSG (bunny glue) gesso on a rigid substrate is pretty much the only way to go with ET painting. If one works very thinly, like watercolor with minimal layering, I suppose one could do sketches on paper or illustration board with it; but if thats the case, why use ET?

Supplies for making your own panels are readily available on the internet throught the major suppliers (Dick Blick, Daniel Smith, Studio Products) or through a decent art supply store (Fredrix or Gamblin RSG and whiting etc.). Some people find they enjoy making their own, and some (like me) would rather get on to painting.

Commercially available pre-made panels are hard to come by, but God bless the internet. The only ones I've found are:
1. Max Howard at www.realgesso.com offers excellent panels at good prices.
2. A product called "Claybord" by Ampersand works ok. Its a bit slick and paint applied to it can be prone to lifting, however. It's not really RSG gesso, but an absorbant clay mixed with acrylic primer. The biggest plus is that it is widely available at most retailers and art or craft stores, so if you just want to give ET a try, its not a bad starting point. Whatever you do, don't confuse it with another Ampersand product, "Gessobord", which is acrylic-primed and NOT suitable for ET.
3. "Panelli A Gesso" are available from Jerry's Artarama. I bought some once and didnt really like them. An uneven surface with lots of pinholes, and a plywood backing that didnt seem stable to me.

An artist in my area, Katharine Steele Renninger was a casein artist who would work on linen canvas that was glued to board (I assume). She painted thinly and "scuffed" the surface so that the weave of the canvas was obvious, giving the work an antique look. I'd think one could do the same with ET. See the examples at
The Michener Museum site
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

I've used RealGesso panels for awhile now, and am very happy with them. They will even custom cut at a reasonable price. I, too, am more happy when painting than I am when preparing to paint, but as a foody and cook, I can truly understand the 'from scratch' approach. Well, I guess that's what I do with my paints, though--I grind my own pigments, add fresh egg yolk and a drop of oil of cloves. I enjoy the process.

P.S. And I heartily second the person who said Never to use acrylic gesso with egg tempera--two different animals.
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

Not all rabbit skin glue is of equal quality. Bad RSG can smell awful when mixed up. The better variety seems to be the powdered form rather than the small pellets. The last bag I got was from Sinopia and it mixes well.
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True enough. For archiving a piece it should be mounted on board, sometimes when I work I tend to be more careful on board, ... but on paper....let it fly! Then if I like it I can mount it. Rich
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Jamie, I assume this will become a sticky? I hope to need the info soon

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...I grind my own pigments, add fresh egg yolk and a drop of oil of cloves...

Whats the oil of clove do for ET? I know used in oil paints, it extends open time. Does it serve the same purpose here?
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The oil of cloves is basically a preservative (egg tempera can be attacked by little vermin over the years), and it may extend open time, some, as well.
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The oil of cloves is basically a preservative (egg tempera can be attacked by little vermin over the years), and it may extend open time, some, as well.

Ah, thanks. I am having a silverfish problem on some pieces when I set them to cure, right at the end stage after I put a coat of dilute yolk "varnish" on them. They seem to like to nibble at the edges at that stage, but lose interest when it hardens after a week or so. I'll try adding that to those coats.
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Oh m'gosh! Thanks for sharing that, Jeff. I haven't had any problem yet. Maybe the oil of cloves is why. Do let me know how it works.
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Meisie, Good idea. I've just sticky'd this thread (assuming Jamie doesn't mind).

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Thanks Eileen!

I would think the oil would work really well. Never thought of adding that! It is great to know!

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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

I have played with egg tempera on mounted paper, using it transparently like watercolor. Frame it behind glass, or seal and varnish over the top with no glass.

Glad to find this forum as I usually never go to the home page.
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

I use and love panels made by a company in Sant Fe called True-Gesso-Panels. They are traditional gesso panels made specifically for painting in egg tempera. the surfaces are a bit smoother than my own self-made panels but work just as nice, and I can get to paint much faster since I don't have to fuss with creating the actual support.

You can get them at www.true-gesso-panels.com. Eric (the owner) will even send you a free sample to test it out.
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Ready made true gesso panels must be good when you want to get cracking on a painting. I'd like to try those sometime. I've used hardboard (masonite) panel with traditional glue/gesso to date. But I have recently glued a piece of Daler ivorex paper to foam core board and plan to try this out with E.T. to see how it goes. I'll let you know!
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

What in the world is wrong with Clayboard smooth, 1/8", C'mon guys, it's year 2006, not 1690, goodness, leave the poor rabbits in their cages to breed and eat and whatever, have fun. Get Clayboard smooth and be on your way. I think that all that tempered masonite with the plaster on it is extremely heavy and also hard to store in my 3.5 ft. tall wooden printer rack that I keep about 8 portfolios (large) in. I'm all for letting somebody else do the supports and the framing (and cut off their poor fingers not mine, thank you very much). I'm the painter, not the support-creator, leave that job for the hacks. Later. Much later. [Better is the corner of a housetop than a wide house with a contentious woman - Proverbs, the bible][Better is a dry crust with peace and quietness than a houseful of sacrifices with strife - Proverbs, the Bible.]
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