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Favorite supports for egg tempera

What are your favorite supports for egg tempera? Let's create a reference thread for archival supports that members buy or make for this traditional medium. I know nothing about egg tempera, so I need all the info I can get!

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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

The best supports for egg tempera are wood or masonite, because egg tempera turns very hard, like stone, with time. If you put egg tempera over a canvas, the painting will crack in time with the movement or rolling of the canvas.
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

Egg tempera can be painted on canvas, however. Look at the huge (and famous) canvases that have been painted in egg tempera, Bottechelli's "Venus" (standing in a sea shell) and the sister canvas "Primavera". These are in Florence, Italy and very impressive!
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

Hi, I don't know how to do this thread business, being a 'new kid on the block' (what is the Quote button for?) Just a reply to 66Bevbon, the 'Primavera' is on wood panels. When I saw it in the flesh, so to speak, in Florence, I was amazed at how the panels were stitched together and not very flat, you could see the wood imperfections and texture quite well. And the 'Venus' is on Poplar wood panel, in London's National Gallery.
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

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Hi, I don't know how to do this thread business, being a 'new kid on the block' (what is the Quote button for?) Just a reply to 66Bevbon, the 'Primavera' is on wood panels. When I saw it in the flesh, so to speak, in Florence, I was amazed at how the panels were stitched together and not very flat, you could see the wood imperfections and texture quite well. And the 'Venus' is on Poplar wood panel, in London's National Gallery.
Hit the quote button in the lower right of a post when you want to reply and you get the results I just did - where the person's post you want to respond to is shown in your reply. Type your message underneath (like I just did).

And you are so correct about the "Primavera" and the "Venus" being on wood panels ...thank you for pointing that out.

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Hi, I don't know how to do this thread business, being a 'new kid on the block' (what is the Quote button for?) Just a reply to 66Bevbon, the 'Primavera' is on wood panels. When I saw it in the flesh, so to speak, in Florence, I was amazed at how the panels were stitched together and not very flat, you could see the wood imperfections and texture quite well. And the 'Venus' is on Poplar wood panel, in London's National Gallery.

Actually these are both at The Uffizi in Florence, I was there not long ago. Would hate to see someone fly off to the wrong museum, although National Gallery has a lot of Botticellis. Primavera is oil tempera on wood (ET w/some oil added), Birth of Venus is tempera on linen canvas, although the canvas appears to be mounted.
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

Spellbreaker, welcome to Wetcanvas, and thank you for your input! Can it also be used with canvas glued to wood or masonite? Can it be primed with either oil based gesso or acrylic primer, as if for oil painting?

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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

Probably any support which is archival for tempera would also be good for casein, since it gets brittle as it cures.

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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

Thank you for your welcome. It can be used with canvas glued to wood or masonite, but it must be primed with traditional thin gesso, without any kind of oil. You can experiment it too with an acrylic primer, but my experience is that is not better result that the one with traditional thin gesso.
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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

I use masonite (no oil in it) and rabbit skin glue with marble chalk as a gesso heated up and painted and sanded, never had an issue with this.
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I use masonite (no oil in it) and rabbit skin glue with marble chalk as a gesso heated up and painted and sanded, never had an issue with this.
This is exactly right, btw, never use acrylic gesso with egg tempera.

See:
http://www.eggtempera.com/supports.html
"Acrylic primer is considered not compatable with egg tempera."

RS Glue, french chalk and zinc or titanium white is a perfectly smooth and slightly velvety ground for egg tempera, I've also tempered 140+ lb. watercolor paper with alum and painted on it for some quick work.
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...I've also tempered 140+ lb. watercolor paper with alum and painted on it for some quick work.
Unless it's a trade secret, how do you temper the paper with alum? Thanks.

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Unless it's a trade secret, how do you temper the paper with alum? Thanks.

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Hi Richard: No secrets here, usually size made from hide glue is a 10% solution, for sizing paper use a 3% solution, for a quart of this add a 1/4 tsp. of alum, use the solution as a bath for the paper and hang on a clip to dry, I saturate the paper. If you get some buckling I would press it between a couple sheets of newsprint when it is still damp, not dripping but damp in that you can feel it is cool with the back of your hand. I am just getting into all of these old ways of doing things and have become obsessed with seeing what works.

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Hi Richard: No secrets here, usually size made from hide glue is a 10% solution, for sizing paper use a 3% solution, for a quart of this add a 1/4 tsp. of alum, use the solution as a bath for the paper and hang on a clip to dry, I saturate the paper.
Thanks, Rich! I'll get the Massey book.

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Re: Favorite supports for egg tempera

There is one manufacturer in Italy that makes true gesso panels on poplar wood.
The panels are called Belle Arti and the company is P.E.R. Belle Arti.
They are good and not too costly.
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