new Sennelier watercolor line - Page 3

Renilou · #31 06-13-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorky

I found the video fascinating. Surely they must include a binder in addition to the honey?

Doug

I'm sure they still use the hand-picked Senegalese gum arabic with the honey.

Renilou · #32 06-13-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DKB444

Thanks for the heads up Pumkin!

I guess they want us to completely memorize the pigment numbers with all the name changes.

Handprint, we need your help! This sure will be interesting for those of us who have some of the "older" paint line. I see more color charts being painted.

I contacted handprint.com" to tell him about some pigments that were no longer available. He wrote me back and told me thank you and that he needs to do updates. That was a couple of years ago. Very little was done. Although the site is still good, its sadly out of date.

Renilou · #33 06-13-2012, 06:57 PM

OK, I just checked to see which one I bought. I saw the the name has changed and so my tube says French. Its the new line.

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Originally Posted by Renilou

I recently bought the French Vermillion (PR 242) and it is not runny at all. But maybe that is because it might be the old line. Its the only Sennelier brand I have too. I like it because it tends to stay where I put it while painting with it better than most, not running out of control on the watercolor paper. Does all the Sennelier brand watercolor pigments have this same tendency? Is it the brand or just the PR242 pigment? Or is it the old line of paint and not the new one? I have no clue which one I bought. But a thick area dried sort of shiny. If the new line is runny, I hesitate to get any because if what I have is from the old line, I want the old! I just don't know because I was not paying attention when I ordered it because I did not know there was a close out with the old for the new. I just saw the website and bought the PR242 not knowing there had been an upgrade. I may very well have gotten the newer one.

I would like to know more about this brand if anyone wishes to share about the difference between the older version and the newer.
The problem with too much honey, as with M Graham, painting en plein air is not fun because your paint will attract bugs.

I know that all pigments behave differently and brand has nothing to do with it most of the time. But in one case, Holbein watercolor tends to stay put because its formulated that way because of not using Ox-gall. Schmincke is formulated to all work harmoniously together.
PS. I have allot M Graham watercolor and for the record, I have yet to find any runny paint from that brand.

Honey is not what makes watercolor paint runny. It's from too much Ox-gall in the batch of paint to be processed.

M.L. Schaefer · #34 06-13-2012, 10:19 PM

I have two colors that I especially love from the old line: Mars Yellow (with has PO48 and is light bright, and not at all the dull look that many other Mars Yellows have. I don't believe the new line carries it with the PO48. Also, Cobalt Violet Rose...acts like a Daniel Smith watercolor..separating into blues and roses...so so pretty...I don't know if the new line carries it. I would suggest if you have a favorite tube of the old line, check out the ingredients and see if the new line carries it...NOT AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS, because they changed the names and that is a MESS! I managed to buy the ones that were no longer available in the new line

!

Margarete

Philippe56 · #35 06-14-2012, 04:38 AM

the other one is PB15:3, I don't remember which is which but one is greenish the other is red shade.
in other tube therer are mixture of PB15 with white pigment ("Cendre bleue") or with black and Indanthrene for the Indigo.

DKB444 · #36 06-14-2012, 01:17 PM

Wow, Renee thanks for the update about handprint. I hope Mr McEvoy is able to update the site, because all of these pigments are so important to know about. Especially, now that Sennelier has changed their formulas. I really appreciate that you contacted him about this. That is definitely our pigment bible for sure.

Abuzar · #37 08-10-2012, 06:20 AM

Every one chatting out there. it seems as if all of you are excited about the new range of sennelier watercolours. but i am an immature artist and My only question to those who have Used or are using sennelier is that..! Is Sennelier a Good brand and worth Investing because not many Artists that I know of use sennelier..! Pleas reply..!

M.L. Schaefer · #38 08-12-2012, 11:42 PM

Hello, Abuzar! Welcome to WetCanvas. I have a few tubes of Sennelier, the old line (I went ahead and bought up tubes that I saw weren't in the new French line). That will keep me going for a while. The French line is fairly new, and I may take some time for artists using it to figure do they like the new line as compared to the old? Why don't you splurge and jump right in and buy a tube of the French line, see how it works, and if you like the way it works? Other than that, I can't really respond to your question. However, my response will hopefully keep it the thread "alive" for a while longer.

Margarete

Renilou · #39 02-19-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by M.L. Schaefer

I have two colors that I especially love from the old line: Mars Yellow (with has PO48 and is light bright, and not at all the dull look that many other Mars Yellows have. I don't believe the new line carries it with the PO48. Also, Cobalt Violet Rose...acts like a Daniel Smith watercolor..separating into blues and roses...so so pretty...I don't know if the new line carries it. I would suggest if you have a favorite tube of the old line, check out the ingredients and see if the new line carries it...NOT AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS, because they changed the names and that is a MESS! I managed to buy the ones that were no longer available in the new line

!

Margarete

PO48 is a Quinacridone Rust in M Graham and Burnt Orange in Daniel Smith. It was called different things depending on brand. Some paint companies no longer carry PO48 and no PO49 at all. PO48 is the same pigment as PO49 except much warmer. PO49 is out of stock and the only way to have that now is through Daniel Smith because they bought up the last of it. I was told that the PO48 will dwindle out eventually as well.
PS, M Graham have always used honey in their paint too and just as rich and buttery. But the colors are not as crisp and bright as Sennelier.

Renilou · #40 02-19-2013, 04:39 PM

Just wondering, I am looking for the light-fastness chart for the new line of Sennelier but cannot find it on their web site. Does anyone have it to share?

Aderynglas · #41 02-20-2013, 06:11 AM

Abuzar,

Sennelier are a well respected brand of watercolour paints

They are Artist quality and beautiful to use.

The only problem I have with the new line is that some of the colours are strange mixtures of pigments. They are mostly lightfast.

You can find the colour chart with pigment details here

Just be careful of the colours with multiple pigments, because mixing them with other colours with multiple pigments will result in mud

I mostly use single pigment colours which give me more scope for mixing

Hope this helps

watercolourfanatic · #42 02-20-2013, 02:50 PM

Certainly in the UK Sennelier are worth trying, especially in the 21ml size. The latest prices (Jacksons) are very good. Not sure how they compare in the USA.

I certainly agree that some of the multi-pigment mixes give food for thought but with 98 colours you have enough choices except maybe in the earths.

Peter

peteralv · #43 02-21-2013, 02:21 AM

I used some free samples of new Sennelier watercolors and first I have liked. So I decided to buy a few tubes of 21 ml at a very attractive launch, that I'm starting to use gradually. For now I'm satisfied.

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