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Old 02-11-2017, 03:05 PM
lindap2 lindap2 is offline
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what medium to dilute Faber-Castell Albrecht Duerer Pencils

Help!! I've seen a technique where you draw the first layer of a portrait with Faber-Castell Albrecht Duerer pencils and then wetting it with water. You then can continue (after it has dried) with pencils to create more depth/texture ect.

I tried out the above technique but find that my pencils will not mark over the dried area (it skids instead). Does anyone know where I am going wrong?? I wonder if they use a solvent/alcohol instead of water, as I think the water 'flattens' the surface of the pastmat when dried.

Any tips/help so much appreciated

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Old 02-11-2017, 04:51 PM
LeighBrek_Arts LeighBrek_Arts is offline
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Re: what medium to dilute Faber-Castell Albrecht Duerer Pencils

Hey lindap2. You would just use water. Have you tried wetting the pencil before applying pigment? You might also be pressing too hard on your initial layers, which will flatten the tooth of your paper too soon.
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:23 PM
lindap2 lindap2 is offline
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Re: what medium to dilute Faber-Castell Albrecht Duerer Pencils

Thanks for your reply. You most probably are correct, I do press hard with my initial layer. It probably is me then, rather than the water flattening the surface.

Are you able to easily put pencil marks on top of a dried Durer pencil layer (on pastelmat)?
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:28 PM
LeighBrek_Arts LeighBrek_Arts is offline
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Re: what medium to dilute Faber-Castell Albrecht Duerer Pencils

Yup! You will find that with any type of pencil, if you push hard initially, it becomes very difficult to add additional layers, and you will build up an irritating shine with wax/ oil. With watercolor, you just can't layer.

And to answer your question, yes. Try building up your layers softly and gradually. You should hardly apply any pressure until at least your third or fourth layer. Try it on a practice piece and let us know how it goes!
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:32 AM
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Re: what medium to dilute Faber-Castell Albrecht Duerer Pencils

I've never used pastelmat so I can't speak directly to that. I do have a suggestion for an experiment. Try creating a wash with an albrecht durer pencil and some water OFF the paper and brush the wash onto a scrap of pastelmat. If that surface, when dry, is a good ground for CP then that should prove the problem is pressure.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:43 AM
Oneneedletoomany Oneneedletoomany is online now
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Re: what medium to dilute Faber-Castell Albrecht Duerer Pencils

Just a quick thought, are you using watercolour paper?
It might be that you need more tooth than the paper you are using if you have been trying a particularly smooth cartridge or multimedia paper.

You were asking about pastel mat. There is some good information on this very depressing (so jealous!) video which unusually is a step by step made of photos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ9wo6QNAlc She does mention light pressure a few times....but then she also takes a knife to it as well.
Wish my art turned out like this if I took a knife to it!


The Albrecht Duerers are a bit sticky so I can see you could easily layer too much too quickly and fill up the paper. Try experimenting with holding the pencil further away from the tip so you can't actually press very hard and see if that gives you more control. Bizarre I know, but I found it helpful.
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