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Old 03-12-2018, 06:46 PM
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Re: First indirect method attempt

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "a dry brush glaze" but yeah, you can use whatever works. I alternate between glazes and scumbles, which are thin layers of lighter over darker paint which still let the previous layers show through, and then glaze again etc., until I get what I want.
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I think scumbling and a dry brush glaze are the same thing. Its possible the dry brush technique is intended to use less paint. I usually use it over a direct painting after it dries when I need to add blush or whatever.
I admit that I was unhappy and pretty discouraged by the last layer. It looked pretty bad to me and I am lucky it took so long to dry. This layer is better and I am pretty sure it will serve as the basis for final touch ups, highlights and glazes. However, before I get into that, I need to finish the clothing and put the detail in the hair. I look forward to any suggestions you have for any part of this work. I am amazed at the number of views and thank you for your interest.
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Looks great!, I really don't have anything to add.
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Here is an update which includes completion of the hair and clothing. I also had to repaint part of the chest. I noticed that the chin needs adjustment. Next session I will add highlights. The last item on the list is adding detail to the eyebrows and eyelashes. I have painted over them so many times that I always do them last. Please offer your suggestions and thanks for looking.
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I had some interruptions after it dried so it has taken longer to get to the next stage. I worked on the brows, eyes and hair, scumbled some color in to smooth edges and added highlights. Now I need your help adding in the gold chain for the necklace. It is very fine and the links are hardly discernable. However, I don't want to just paint a line. I was thinking about a figure eight pattern with a liner brush. Any suggestions?
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Hi Mike, great job on the portrait. Since the links on the chain are hardly discernable, as you say, I would try to suggest a chain rather than represent every link. I would do it by first laying down a line representing the necklace, and after that had dried, adding highlights or dark spots here and there. You could also do it wet on wet I suppose, but it might take you a few tries to get it right. Here are the best examples I could find of what I mean:





In the top photo, only in the largest chain are the links defined. The smaller chains are basically irregular brown lines with highlights or dark spots picked out here and there.

In the detail of the Vermeer painting, no individual pearls are defined, the necklace is basically a grey blurry line with white highlights added to represent pearls.

I hope this helps.
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double post, sorry

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Thank you Wayne. Vermeer is one of my favorites. I want to do some genre paintings with his style in mind. Here is my latest update. I have adjusted the lips and hairline. I painted the chain and updated the jewelry. Let me know what you think. I think I need to tinker with the hairline a bit more but otherwise, I think she is ready for final glazing.
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This young lady is a family friend. We met her when she was in high school. Now she is a professional woman working in corporate America. She is a metaphor for all women in America, who are moving up. This is oil on panel, 24x22in (61x56cm). I wish you could see it in person. The photo is not good, even after processing. When it dries I will have it professionally done, but this is my last post here. It has its final glaze, which I think unified the color nicely. I also think I finally got the hairline to work. Thanks to Wayne for all his help and insight. Thanks to all who visited. The attention was a real motivator.
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Re: First indirect method attempt

Came out great Mike! Out of curiousity, did this make you want to continue more with the indirect method, or are you going back to painting directly?
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Interestingly, I have been painting in layers for some time, even though they were several direct layers. I actually wanted to do this exercise because I decided that if I was going to use layers, I might as well do it properly. I learned a great deal about the importance of what lies beneath. This painting literally glows under proper lighting. I am convinced this is a superior method of oil painting, if you want that effect, and I do. So yes, I will be painting indirectly, or using the classical method, however you wish to view it, many times in the future. I also recognize that I need a lot more practice. I needed to plan it better and start with a bruneille. The grey scale was painted with too much stand oil, was shiny, and rejected the next layer until I deglossed it. I was way too timid on the verdaccio. I should have simply repainted it in sap green. After all that, I can definitely see how the early layers influenced the top coats, opaque or translucent. Its a lot of work and demands a great deal of patience but the effect is wonderful.
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Re: First indirect method attempt

The last layer improved the lighting a lot.

The only thing I might point is that the skin looks super smooth on the forehead (compare to her bust .. that looks more natural). Your result is already really great where shadows grow, but the areas at direct light look a bit plastic due to the lack of imperfections. I am although just nitpicking here :P
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