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    ronsu18
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        hi!
        this is for the rembrandt brand only.
        what are your uses for permanent madder dp (PR 264) and carmine (PR176)?
        ordered the madder, now suddenly (and pref. quickly to add to order!) needing to understand carmine’s mixing capabilities.
        it’s not the most straightforward question, but any comments will help!

        C&C welcome

        #719198
        ragtopcircus
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            Take a look at the color chart for Rembrandt. FWIW, they use PR264 in quite a few of the mixed colors. I don’t see PR176 used for anything but Carmine. Studying that chart may give you some ideas for how to use the PR264.

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            ragtopcircus
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                #719197
                budigart
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                    I have used Perm Madder Deep for years. It is my go-to red on my portrait palette. I wouldn’t call it a complaint, but it took awhile for me to get used to how potent it is. A little goes a long way. Of course, I’m talking flesh tones here.

                    I also use a very simple, limited flesh palette: Cremnitz white, yellow ocher, perm. madder deep, Williamsburg burnt umber, and black. I used to use ivory black, but switch a couple of years ago to Williamsburg Italian black roman earth, which come very close to making a neutral gray when mixed with white.

                    Of course, when needed I add and/or use other colors in my flesh palette.

                    #719200
                    ronsu18
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                        hi guys, thanks for weighing in! i received some thoughts on this cross posting in technical forum when ordering. by mistake the carmine never came, the madder did, and simply swept me off my feet. i love the juicy, heather/blackberry/black currant pure tints it makes, and every blue&green combination. a little really does go a long way! how i’ve painted landscapes without it is a mystery. will order the carmine too, have to test it. soon.

                        C&C welcome

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