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Old 12-11-2005, 07:36 AM
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

E-J this is wonderful. can you add just two little strokes or dots to show shine/wetness above the nostrils? that will make the portrait more impressive.

Just a suggestion.

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Old 12-11-2005, 11:28 AM
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

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E-J this is wonderful. can you add just two little strokes or dots to show shine/wetness above the nostrils? that will make the portrait more impressive.

Hello there - thanks for looking. I haven't actually got to work properly on the nose yet but will bear your suggestion in mind when I do.
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

Hi EJ,

I took a look at your web site and that portrait of Benjer is delicious!

This one is coming along just fine, I wouldn't worry too much. Looks like you have passed through the awkward, doubtful, ready to toss in the garbage stage, now you can coast along on cruise control.

I agree with the comments made earlier, having the client perched on your shoulder only aggravates the situation. The expectation to achieve likeness becomes a tremendous burden.

The only input you need from the client is in the beginning, before you even begin the prelim drawing. If I haven't met the animal I like to engage the client in a discussion about their animal, this allows me to gain insight into the character of my subjects. Often times clients will send disks filled with photos. The photos will span the entire life of the animal, from the puppy years through to the final days, they become a narrative for me. After the initial input from the client, the rest is up to me.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing the final piece.

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Old 12-12-2005, 05:13 AM
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

Hi Heather ... thanks. "Cruise control" isn't how I'd describe my current state of stress and sleeplessness! It's great that you have chatty clients with lots and lots of photos.

I am completely stuck now, and feeling despondent about this. I still need to:

- add some blond highlights to his right ear
- reshape his nostrils, esp. the left one
- work on his eyes
- do something about the body. The highlight layer is sitting unnaturally on his shoulders, but if I tone those down I'm afraid the body will be too dark all over. The photo I'm working from is largely in shadow and doesn't have much definition, and I have compensated for the shadows' purple colour cast with reddish browns. I'm now struggling to achieve a "blond" look which will satisfy the client.
- "tidy up" the painting. The background is dusty and needs freshening up.

I have this sinking feeling that he's still not going to be pale enough after this, but I can't really do anything more to it without losing what I've built up already. Overworking is one of those things you can't always see on the screen.



Thanks for your patience, those of you who are still looking in! Any suggestions gratefully received.
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Old 12-12-2005, 05:57 AM
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

E-J ... for what its worth i think that you shouldn't be half-killing yourself over this. What you have so far is wonderful for those of us looking on.

I believe that you should now show the client what you have and see their reaction .... if they are not happy (and they need stringing up if they aren't, IMO ) THEN that is probably the time to decide whether to go on or to walk away. Stop punishing yourself - you have worked so hard and really! what do these people want? .... are they paying you in millions?

Its a lovely painting by any standard. You have done your best to get a likeness ... and you didn't even know the mutt, after all!

Just get your lightest layer down on his coat and go for it!!!!!

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Old 12-12-2005, 06:51 AM
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

I have to echo Lesly here...stop killing yourself over this! I work in retail, selling custom furniture, so I know about picky customers, and some of them will NEVER be happy. It has nothing to do with the product, and everything to do with their temperament.

On the other hand, amny times the customers will be perfectly happy with what I consider an inferior piece, simply because I've told them it's an exceptional piece and I'm really ahppy with it. The power of suggestion works wonders.

Either way, you can only do so much. You've created a lovely painting from an absolutely crap reference--you should be pleased!
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

Lesly and Kimberly, thank you for that much-needed kick up the backside!! Thanks, too, for your kind words. I have been getting myself in a right old state about this painting but hopefully the imagined rejection is mostly in my mind! I will put the finishing touches to him and let the client see ... If he likes, he likes. If not, it will be a sizeable financial "ouch" but so be it. I am proud of what I've done.

Thanks for enduring my whining!!
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:56 AM
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

THANK YOU again for your encouragement. I needed to take a walk and put the painting out of my mind for a while.

I will probably tweak the shine in his eyes just a tiny bit, but he's essentially there now. I'm about to mail the finish to my client and take a day off while I wait for his response.

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Re: Golden retrieiver/ wip Finished!

Absolutely wonderful, E-J!
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:48 AM
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Thanks Kate (and for amending the thread title for me)
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Re: Golden retrieiver/ wip Finished!

It turned out beautifully. Excellent work.
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Re: Golden retrieiver/ wip Finished!

Beautiful dog. Let's hope your client will like it as well. I really admire your perseverance (spelling?)
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Re: Golden retrieiver/ wip Finished!

Just wonderful, E-J!
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Re: Golden retrieiver/ wip Finished!

Beautiful!! I've just noticed the colors in the nose--they're wonderful.

So glad you came to your senses . If you project satisfied, proud energy, the client is very likely to feel the same way!
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Re: Golden retrieiver/ wip Finished!

Love it!
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